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ultimate level 4 mission ship

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harringa
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#21 - 2012-03-19 20:32:03 UTC
A raven state issue would do the job Blink
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#22 - 2012-04-03 00:28:34 UTC
Lvl 4 missions ship for courier missions


[Impel, lvl4]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

[empty med slot]

[empty high slot]

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!

Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#23 - 2012-04-03 00:53:13 UTC
Mach because it saves so much on travel time which L4s tend to have quite abit of. If travel time was less of a factor I would say CNR but the difference is probably minimal.
Zircon Dasher
#24 - 2012-04-03 01:59:14 UTC
The Ultimate L4 solo ship is whatever one the guy who is feeding you tax money is in.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
#25 - 2012-04-03 02:57:37 UTC
Nightmare.

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Bodessia
NOOB'R'US
#26 - 2012-04-03 05:16:38 UTC
Train up for a tengu, you will never regret it!
SabotNoob
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-03 17:00:17 UTC
Nightmare for EM missions
Tengu for Kinetic missions

I specialized in both. You don't have to spend time changing your fit to match the mission damage. You just change the ship! It's ready to go that way. Yes it takes a long time to train both, but it's worth it.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#28 - 2012-04-03 17:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorki Andropov
nvm
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#29 - 2012-04-03 17:10:22 UTC
Alternatively, My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-04-04 01:20:35 UTC
Nightmare all the way. multi crystals out to 100k cheap faction ammo that lasts for ages. over 1100dps

Mach is a close second. better for Angel missions over a nightmare, but faction ammo is expensive and all the dps is in falloff


Tengu for low and null. even with angel missions cannot match a nightmare for raw dps


forget a vindy. Looks fantastic to an ETF warrior but you have to be very close to get that DPS on the target.


CNR is also a very nice ship for low SP players



I fly all of these ships and dont base my decisions on ETF

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words

Neesha Marinn
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-04 07:33:55 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:

I fly all of these ships and dont base my decisions on ETF

ETF?
Must be a new program.

Anyway, tengu all the way for me.
Its just good allround.
Tanks pretty much everything, it might not always be the fastest but it definately is one easy going ship to run missions in.
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#32 - 2012-04-04 08:48:49 UTC
While I do love my Tengu, I do not agree that it's the fastest ship. Against Angels Mach is faster, against Blood and Sansha Nightmare is faster, against Serpentis Kronos/Nightmare is faster. I own all these ships and Tengu is best when I want to blitz, but when I'm looking to kill all rats there are faster ships.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#33 - 2012-04-04 17:51:41 UTC
It's obviously different based on the area that you mission in but if you had a choice, I'd take Nightmare (or Paladin) in Amarr space over Machariel (or Vargur) in Minmatar space myself. Faction ammo is usable to great effect, not necessary to use T2 ammo to push damage projection out to a reasonable level when fighting farther rats, and moving isn't even necessary.

Even with both using faction ammo, the Nightmare outdpses the Mach starting at 25km, and while there are quite a few missions where rats start close to optimal there are also missions where they do not, which means you need to take the time to get to the rats. Barrage is an answer yes, but not only does it do less dps even at maximum, but it only starts outdpsing multifreq at 70km, which does not even matter with the Mach's 77km lock range, and that is easily answered with ultraviolet etc. WIth the dps gap, and the damage projection difference I would think that the Nightmare is strictly superior not only against EM weak but thermal weak rats as well. Due to a lack of kinetic focused ammunition I would also wager that for kinetic rats with a secondary EM or thermal weakness the nightmare is at least on par. That leaves just angels and minmatar as a potential situation for Mach superiority. The damage projection difference is very important, even with an MWD the travel time on a Machariel is not negligible

I've been a proponent of projectile superiority for some time now but taking a hard look at the differences between these systems I think I would recommend flying a Nightmare anywhere outside of Minmatar space, and even then it's not that big of a deal to either decline a few angels missions or even just do them with a laser platform, the dps is so high.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-04-04 20:15:16 UTC
bom chickawawa wrote:
What ship do you think is the ultimate solo level 4 mission ship?

what ship has enough tank to not have to warp out and enough dps to blast there way through them as quick as possiable.

please post fit tactics and any other info u feel is relevant

Include price aswell just for the lolz


MWD Machariel with t2 800mm's

Warp into site, Keep at range allways, Pulse your MWD and you are golden.

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear

Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-04 22:05:37 UTC
Creh Ester wrote:


If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms.



A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4.
But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol.
Staldan
JTC Industries
#36 - 2012-04-04 22:38:53 UTC
Golem hands down for Caldari.

Nothing better to automate isk making.

Warp in. Sit still. Let missiles / torps do their job and salvage while you go.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#37 - 2012-04-04 23:44:45 UTC
Staldan wrote:
Golem hands down for Caldari.

Nothing better to automate isk making.

Warp in. Sit still. Let missiles / torps do their job and salvage while you go.



Except for all the target painter micromanaging. No thanks, worst marauder hands down. Kronos beats it in Caldari space, easy.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#38 - 2012-04-04 23:46:33 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Alternatively, My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Not sure if troll or bad.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#39 - 2012-04-05 05:24:08 UTC
Hans Momaki wrote:
Creh Ester wrote:


If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms.



A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4.
But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol.


lolwut? Learn to eft warrior

[Drake, Mission Tank]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]

Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a **** halfway through =P
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#40 - 2012-04-05 08:31:09 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Hans Momaki wrote:
Creh Ester wrote:


If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms.



A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4.
But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol.


lolwut? Learn to eft warrior

[Drake, Mission Tank]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]

Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a **** halfway through =P


Going to need to with the amount of time it would take to clear the bonus room with that crap. Not even one BCU fit.
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