Jita Park Speakers Corner

Posting this here as it has direct relevance to the CSM.

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-00:00 Introduction, Recap of what's happened. The aftermath of fanfest for The Mittani's "victim". Gaming media: do you guys fact check, do any investigation, or engage in responsible journalism?

-00:30 Joined by Trebor and Seleene. Maybe Two Step as well. Talking about the CSM moving forward, their opinions and stances on what's happened this week, are Issler and D3 going to be a distraction?

-01:30 Joined by The Mittani.

-03:00 End of show

Your feedback is also welcome. For those who miss out, the show will be made available on our Rewind Service, shortly after we finish. I'm sure people will have it torrented and uploaded elsewhere before I have a chance to eat a post show cookie.

Should be a crazy night, hope to see you there!


Edit:
Podcast is available from the broadcast HERE.. Enjoy!

It will be available on Eve Radio's rewind service for 7 days, and as in past shows, I'm sure it will land on torrents, soundcloud and other stuff before i can sneeze after.

Don't be a bully, Billy.

Mittani has a point though, you can easily criticise someone without having to throw in a highly negatively charged buzzword to generate a few extra page views.

Ya know, all these people that keeping coming to mittens defense I honestly dont get it

Ok, so goons blew up a guy that was having a difficult time. I don't think many of us ask people "are you doing ok today?' before we kill them... However, the guy then took the time to try and work things out with the goons and of course got screwed over for it, and then writes a clearly heartfelt note explaining the he is having a really hard time in his life right now

I think at that moment MOST of us would stop harassing the guy. Most people who ARE NOT BULLYS dont like to pick on people just because they are weak in real life. But Goons are not most of us..

The goons take this guys letter to the biggest show of the year for eve, and PUBLICALLY berates and degrades the guy for trusting goons in the first place, and for being so weak as to tell someone that he has fallen on hard times.

Then the GOONS give out the guys eve name and to top it all off, suggest that everyone send this guy a note with the intention the guy kills himself

Was mittens drunk when he made the slides he was going to show at fanfest????

Was mittens drunk as he thought out what he was going to say about the slides???

Probably not....

The idea that we should just look the other way because the leader of goons was DRUNK at the time he said something stupid is sickening. A whole lot of time, energy, and planning went into that drunken statement

Now I am hearing that you goons dont like the term "CYBER BULLY

Well, if you target a weaker individual, humilate and degrade that person you know is weak, Plan for weeks or months to humilate him more infront of a larger audience, then to add insult to injury you try to recruite other people to push the guy over the edge in the hope that he takes his own life???? Yeah, YOU ARE ALL BULLYS

Again I call on the CSM and CCP to continue to look deeper into this, it is not a 10 second drunk ooopsie... This was planned out in advance and carried out by the leader of a large alliance. All the people that helped make this happen and other incidents where people are forced to endure goonish tactics, should be banned for alot more than 30 days

CCP this story isnt going away, you really need to get a handle on these type of actions before it ruins the game for all of us

PS yeah... I cant spell for crap, big deal.. At least I dont pick on people

Having sat through the entire discusion I am ashamed yet again that the eve player base actually buy into The Mittani's bs.

A Letter to The Mittani:

The definition of cyber bullying fits very smugly into what The Mittani encited in his fanfest speech....It fits very smugly into any call to suicide online. There are no excuses, you don't get to feel sorry for yourself now Mr Mittens just because its rebounded back on your backside.

This is NOT about Goonswarm, this is NOT about The Mittani ingame..... This is about the real life man who stood up infront of thousands of viewers and encited the masses to cause a single person to commit suicide.

Shame on you!

Definition:

Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.

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Enciting people to cause someone who was obviously mentally unstable to commit suicide is deliberate, repeated and hostile!

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The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."

Cyberbullying has subsequently been defined as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person". Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon.


Cyberbullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

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It doesnt matter that you didn't put out his real life name, the fact is you and the rest of goons participate in cyber bullying on a regular basis. If you are causing people harm by lowering their self esteem, by causing them to feel humiliated and outcast, you are cyber bullying. DEAL WITH IT!


Harmful effects:

Research had demonstrated a number of serious consequences of cyberbullying victimization. For example, victims have lower self-esteem, increased suicidal ideation, and a variety of emotional responses, retaliating, being scared, frustrated, angry, and depressed.

One of the most damaging effects is that a victim begins to avoid friends and activities, often the very intention of the cyber-bully.

Cyberbullying campaigns are sometimes so damaging that victims have committed suicide. There are at least four examples in the United States where cyber-bullying has been linked to the suicide of a teenager.

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It does not matter a fig if you feel there is nothing in the way you or goons behave and that its all part of the sandbox and in good fun. If you are infact effecting people in a negative manner, if you are causing people to suffer emotional distress with what you are doing and how you are behaving, you are a cyber bully and you need to rethink your position.


If you want to call me an anti goon and pretend that somehow im calling for your blood because you did something nasty to me ingame you can please yourself, thats how you sleep at night, fair enough.

I am however, qualified in mental health and deal with people that suffer at the hands of people like you on a daily basis. Just because you are on the internet doesnt mean you are any different to the bullies in real life, bar the fact that you have an entire cult of sycophants following you down that road with blindfolds fully attached convincing you its ok to emotionally damage people as long as you cant see the real life behind the pixels.

I wonder how you sleep at night.

You judge those who hold contempt over the behaviour harshly because you want them to behave else.
You judge those who are having a hard time for being online instead of doing something else.
But your big fail in your judging is the ground principle that not everyone is the same.

You can easy defend certain behaviour by giving it another ticker or put the blame on the victim. But does that decrease the responcebility of the one inflicting harm?

No it's not our job to defend sad / depressed people and yes we shouldhelp them face their problems.
It's however also NOT our job or goal, not should it ever be, to intentionally make those who are depressed even more inclined to commit real life harm to themselves.
I am not a psychologist, but a shred of humanity should suffice to understand the reasoning.

edit: You say you can choose to play the game or not.
This is a false statement. The only true statement you can make is that you yourself can choose to play or not. Or are you that omnipotent as to know the motivations for people to log in and the measure of need to log in?

Did you amaze yourself with that retort or did it come all naturally?

I don't think anyone is really painting Mittani as a "scary boogyman" of griefing in-game. Thats not really the point. He doesn't even play the game much. And a suicide-ganking every now and then hardly scares most eve players - we've gotten used to this stuff and even learned how to profit from it. But problem is that he's the defacto religious leader for an out of game cult of harrassment and rl bullying perpetrated by his frequently poorly socialized and marginally nutty followers. Mittan's player says (on stage at fanfest) "go troll this guy into suicide" and the problem comes from the thousands of basement-dweller wannabe cyber-bullys that will go and try this - and experience shows that some of those will go far too far in the realms of rl stalking, harrassment, digging up rl names and pictures and spam mailing real places of employment, work and education in an effort to follow "the great leader's bidding".



If somebody wrote me a mail in game claiming that Star Fraction's IC war against statist memetics was causing them real-life depressive thoughts and our continuing campaign would cause them to consider rl suicide then I'd likely forward the mail to the GM's and block the individual.

I wouldn't get up stage at fanfest and command a host of servile followers to do their utmost to troll the guy into suicide.

Wake up and smell the difference.

Well "trolling" the bereaved father of an eve player who died in a motorcycle accident with eve forum signature images showing somebody being run over by a truck springs to mind.

"trolling" the player behind lady scarlet with grotesque photo-shops of her rl picture (taken from the bob forums) until she was forced to quit the game strikes me as rl harrassment.

I've personally had goons emailing my rl place of employment after they discovered my online cv during the CSM1 campaign.

The goons still use my rl picture to make child sex abuse allegations on their goon wiki (to this day).

Not sure how much more "proof" you need.