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The Arek'jaalan Thread (Updated)

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2012-04-01 19:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
Honestly, I feel like my first OP was just too empty of content. Also quite frankly, things need to be said that so far havn't been said.

CCP. What. The. ****?

I mean seriously, how, if you guys are even at all bothered about it anymore, can you justify this total p***up? Its not about who was a little mean to who or who looked at who funny, or any of the petty squabbles.

Whats really unnaceptable is how you, CCP have literally taken people's time, ISK and materials and wasted it. People have poured great resources into the project, entirely from their own pockets and with their own effort. But now apparently that doesnt mean anything, and we dont matter.

EVE is a game, I know, but in real life when work is taken with no payout its called theft, fraud embezzlement and other things. For Devs to **** away people's resources like this either deliberately malicious or monumentally stupid.

But what makes it even more of a **** on the doorstep is how news gets delivered to us. Of course, nobody holds anything against someone for deciding to take a new path in life. But the fact that a leading Dev in this project leaves and the only way we find out is when they actually tell us on external forums is just a slap in the face.

On top of that, we only get answers when a leading contributor asks on EVE forums, which is very telling of CCP's attitude to the project and players in general, it tells people that you dont care wether people get something out for what they put in.

CCP, Arek'jaalan is now effectively a smoking wreck. The way you have handled it goes beyond misshap into downright unprofessional. I'd assumed in early days that no matter how bad rumours got of CCP's internal clusterfudge, as a basic customer service we could always count on being told when we were no longer needed. I certainly never believed CCP would be capable of so flagrantly stealing player time, isk and resources.

Now please, dont get me wrong, this isnt about CCP devoting an undue amount of attention to a small slice of the playerbase, CCP should care about all its players. Frankly, I'd get some satisfaction out of just a little admission of messing up and a simple yes or no to this question:

CCP, will Arek'jaalan continue or is it now shut down?


Original OP below
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Hi all

Ok, first of all, most if not all of us participating in or watching AJ know by now that CCP Dropbear has left CCP, much to all our sadness.

But, now to business!

The question must now be asked, what happens next?

Will it be "dealt with" in sadly typical CCP way of not speaking about it ever again on pain of horse-whipping?

Or will the people in the "story team" as they've been called pick up the mantle?

**Vherokior **

Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2012-04-01 20:54:57 UTC
what i understood the new people in the live event team are still catching up with material that was left behind by dropbear so and said it would take a while for them to catch up with it.

thats all i know better details you might get from The Antiquarian or Morwen Lagann
Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2012-04-02 13:15:46 UTC
Dropbear also said in his Backstage post that a reboot of Arek'Jalaan would either be unlikely or take a good deal of time. I'm also not sure CCP would attempt a similar event again.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#4 - 2012-06-14 01:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I always thought this was to be our endeavor.. For myself, the research continues, and any new insights or evidence is ALWAYS welcome..

With the release of T1, we can now assume that many of the facts and hints revealed in the novel have filtered into mainstream knowledge as rumour, innuendo and outright fabrication.

C'Mon Muck, where is your journalistic zeal? Blink

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#5 - 2012-06-14 03:38:39 UTC
Do we have a resident CCP authority on the WH storyline? I'd love to be able to run my Talocan fiction past someone to make sure it doesn't outright contradict anything CCP has in mind...

http://www.wormholes.info

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2012-06-15 03:19:11 UTC
Ah, great, just what I needed. Another pair of excalamation marks behind the bird CCP flips the RP.
Dropbear gone.
AJ abandoned.

Why don't they just remove the RPG part of MMORPG? At least then I'd know it's not supported, and not hope for any improvements on that end.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-18 05:25:17 UTC
As far as I understand, AJ was an attempt to make a conflict between capsuleers, so players could blow each other ships around that freighter: from one side - Ishukone loyalists, from another - AJ defenders.

What about scientific part of the project, well, I feel quite skeptical about applying scientific approach in world of EVE. At least with current content.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#8 - 2012-06-18 08:46:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
As far as I understand, AJ was an attempt to make a conflict between capsuleers, so players could blow each other ships around that freighter: from one side - Ishukone loyalists, from another - AJ defenders.


I take it you've never heard of Site 1.

http://www.wormholes.info

Synthmilk
The United Peoples of Synth
#9 - 2012-06-25 01:27:09 UTC
Well I personally would love to either see the Arek'Jaalan project taken up again, or at least have it properly ended RP wise, say with the assassination of Dr. Tukoss and the destruction of Site 1 by Sleeper forces. Then to have a new interactive RP started.
K'hanesh Lor'al
Merc Krew Union United
#10 - 2012-06-26 18:18:06 UTC
Hi all, I've never been involved with AJ formally, but prior to AJ being formed (when it was in its infancy of the forum "Sleeper Conspiracy" thread back wean DropBear was giving hints), I actively participated in discussion.

I've always wanted to become more activein AJ, and considering my corp is me and 2 inactive members, I think now is as good as a time as any.

Anyone have any information as to who/how to contact the more active participants in AJ? Probably a year ago I contacted Wyke Mossari, and he instructed me to take a look at Site 1. unfortunately I never did, and based on the AJ page in EVElopedia it seems like site 1 is now defunct.

So I'm hoping someone can at least point me in the right direct.

Cheers,

K'han
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2012-06-26 18:34:02 UTC
Updated, my opinion has changed somewhat although the original question remains pretty much the same.

**Vherokior **

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#12 - 2012-06-26 19:23:14 UTC
I don't like the complete silence and stagnation of the event any more than you do, N'maro, but you seriously need to take a chill pill, dude.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2012-06-26 23:22:13 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I don't like the complete silence and stagnation of the event any more than you do, N'maro, but you seriously need to take a chill pill, dude.


One can but speak from the heart Morwen. Which is a fancy way of saying I feel obligated to be honest.

**Vherokior **

Aedeal
Bangarang Inc
#14 - 2012-06-28 08:08:29 UTC
Given how Templar One crapped all over AJ, it's possible to ignore it (which really isn't a problem), leaving some very interesting problems up for grabs. Who *really* were the Sleepers? They weren't some random Jove sleeping offshoot, they had an empire in New Eden etc etc, Talocan? Who? You get the idea
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#15 - 2012-06-28 16:21:52 UTC
I still have my hopes. I think the new team is still just catching up with material.

Waiting patiently none the less.
Aedeal
Bangarang Inc
#16 - 2012-06-30 06:07:55 UTC
Well, in the interest of putting the project back into the hands of the players and not just making stuff up cos it sounds cool and the Jove are all mysterious and ooooooh...

The report of Project Morpheus: Part 1!

A lot of theory stuff, don't get all angsty cos it's not 100% defined by CCP already. If it was defined by CCP already, then we wouldn't have the project. However, revisions can be made if I screwed something up, and no, I don't consider Templar One's account of Anoikis and the BS it had to be real lore, call me old fashioned or whatever, but there is bugger all in game to suggest a Jovian connection except the use of fullerite materials.

Here it is!
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-30 10:39:41 UTC
All the time I hear the same. What proof do we have about that everybody in the EVE cluster came from some place called Terra trough what they tell us it was a giant stargate, where we only see a big cosmic anomaly?

What proof do we have that jovians exists at all? Because I don't know you, but I've never seen one of their ships by myself. That constructions? Oh well, Caldari old-fashioned style sense. The rest of it, "CONCORD made it all up to justify their mandate".

If you want to point at some piece of new lore and say "oh well you know what? This isn't lore because lol", I would like to hear first some kind of actual evidence that makes it incompatible with the previously established lore, not just that you don't like it because "this doesn't seemed like this, so it can't be". Why on Earth would the Sleeper constructions need to give any hint about the Sleepers jovian origin? You tell me.

They are not the same population group (being the architects sort of clique inside the jove empire). They are not even constructing those buildings in the same millenium. Look out there on our planet and tell me how Cherooke buildings resemble the Notre Dame cathedral a lot.
Aedeal
Bangarang Inc
#18 - 2012-06-30 10:56:04 UTC
The whole 'Sleepers are Ex-Jove' stuff was bashed about a ton already, with the conclusion that if they split it was way before the Sleeper empire was established in New Eden, meaning that they took on a new identity, so calling them Jovian still was kinda silly, it'd be like calling Amaar and Minmatar Terrans. Then along comes a book and ignores all the work AJ had done on the subject and took a totally different tangent that I don't think anyone was working on. The Sleepers *could* be an offshoot of the Jove at some point in time, but it's kinda silly to call the Jove when they've taken on a new identity.

TLDR: AJ was about drawing conclusions from what we can find out and research, the book made most of it up, the Talocan barely got mentioned etc. That's why I don't like it (mainly cos it trashed AJ...)
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#19 - 2012-06-30 18:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Although I find CCP's silence frustrating and altogether typical of of their botched RP game plan. I don't see how T1 really contradicted anything that AJ was able to piece together, which wasn't much.. Likewise, T1 is just a snapshot of a very brief period in the history of New Eden..

I have always related the Jove as the primary masterminds of the New Eden political spectrum, as anyone who has followed these threads should know. The AI in Jamyl Sarum's head is a Jovian Lab Rat.. A single Jovian entity that has arguably held more influence over the backstage politics of New Eden for the past several centuries than any of the Empire factions combined. This is one entity. One single Jovian.

While in decline, can anyone really argue the Jovians are still manipulating mankind for their own hidden agendas? I doubt it. Can anyone seriously believe that some Jovian factions are not independant of each other and working on their own agendas? Read the Book of Eve and most especially the Jove section..

There is a faction of Jovians out there, or was, who hold the same goals and dreams for humanity that Nation does.. Likewise, the Sister's of Eve are mostly funded by anonomous donors...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Aedeal
Bangarang Inc
#20 - 2012-07-01 02:51:02 UTC
I guess I just am really annoyed that AJ was put together by CCP to unravel the WH mystery and then a book vetted by CCP was allowed to stomp all over that idea. And as to the Jove, can you really call them the Jove if they don't follow what we know of as the Jove 'blow up Amarr' people? It'd be like saying the Blood Raiders are still Amarr etc. But I get your point and agree, the surviving ancient races are likely poking and prodding things to make them meet their own goals.
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