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Capitals Should Be Allowed To Use Region Gates

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BrianOfNazerath
A Business Corporation
#1 - 2012-04-02 00:40:30 UTC
The reason capitals cant use normal gates is because they are too small. Well, the Region Gates are huge. Capitals such as carriers and dreads should be allowed to use them.

However, i feel that Supercaps, I.E Nyx, Aeon, Titan, should be unable to use any gates.


Just a thought
Liam Mirren
#2 - 2012-04-02 01:50:22 UTC
I heard that if you use capital letters a lot in a threat title DEVS ignore it, just because.

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-02 02:08:56 UTC
Capitals are supposed to be difficult to move. So no.
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Investtan Inc.
The Republic.
#4 - 2012-04-02 02:26:08 UTC
So I can move my carrier fro HED to Keberz? Sweet!
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-04-02 02:34:20 UTC
It isn't a tunnel you drive through, it picks up nearby ships and catapults them

How do you know it is actually more powerful and not just bigger. Most of Constellation and Region Gates could be Office Space for managing cross regional traffic, Boarder Guard Barracks, Communication Hubs and Command and Control Centers. Or it could have more power but since it is sending ships to another region that power could all be in range or volume of ships that can pass through at a time

Bigger doesn't mean it is built to throw bigger ships across the galaxy.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-02 03:39:56 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It isn't a tunnel you drive through, it picks up nearby ships and catapults them

How do you know it is actually more powerful and not just bigger. Most of Constellation and Region Gates could be Office Space for managing cross regional traffic, Boarder Guard Barracks, Communication Hubs and Command and Control Centers. Or it could have more power but since it is sending ships to another region that power could all be in range or volume of ships that can pass through at a time

Bigger doesn't mean it is built to throw bigger ships across the galaxy.


well they changed it to make camping those gates more difficult...

but I always presumed the premise behind it was it needed to be bigger because it had to "throw the ships" farther....

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Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#7 - 2012-04-02 04:48:29 UTC
now to add to the confusion, a machariel can use star gates but its as large as a carrier. so why can the mach do it but not a carrier.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#8 - 2012-04-02 04:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyniss
/\ this But I guess the reason is due to mass
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#9 - 2012-04-02 05:20:42 UTC
however, the carrier is mostly hollow, the mach is not. I WANT LOGIC, WE NEED LOGIC.
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2012-04-02 05:41:03 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
however, the carrier is mostly hollow, the mach is not. I WANT LOGIC, WE NEED LOGIC.

We need bigger Carriers whose mass and sig rad match there size.

Super Carriers are about the same size then some dreads which have 10x the Tank.

The ratio is a little silly TBH.

Machariel
Sig Rad 340 m
Mass 121,700,000.00 kg

Archon
Sig Rad 2,920 m
Mass 1,012,500,000.00 kg

Nyx
Sig Rad 12,010 m
Mass 1,615,625,000.00 kg

Revelation
Sig Rad 1,700 m
Mass 1,125,000,000.00 kg

First off the Sig Rag and mass are pretty dumb since the Mach is bigger. Revelation has a smaller Sig Rad then the much smaller Archon yet has a slightly higher mass and is 3x the the physical size. Nyx has 50% more mass and 4-6 times the Sig Rad of other Capitals while being the same size as the Rev. The Mach has the silliest numbers for its size.

Perhaps they should take another look at how they handle size and mass on Ships because this is kinda silly. Ugh
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2012-04-02 05:44:55 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
now to add to the confusion, a machariel can use star gates but its as large as a carrier. so why can the mach do it but not a carrier.


A carrier can carry a Macheriel, a battlecruiser, and cruiser in it's hull at the same time.

How did you Veterans start?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#12 - 2012-04-02 05:51:20 UTC
Can't they just apply a scale transformation to the model and be done with it? D:

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2012-04-02 06:05:20 UTC
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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-02 06:20:40 UTC
Because using RP to argument game mechanics is a great idea..
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-04-02 07:04:58 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
however, the carrier is mostly hollow, the mach is not. I WANT LOGIC, WE NEED LOGIC.

We need bigger Carriers whose mass and sig rad match there size.

Super Carriers are about the same size then some dreads which have 10x the Tank.

The ratio is a little silly TBH.

Machariel
Sig Rad 340 m
Mass 121,700,000.00 kg

Archon
Sig Rad 2,920 m
Mass 1,012,500,000.00 kg

Nyx
Sig Rad 12,010 m
Mass 1,615,625,000.00 kg

Revelation
Sig Rad 1,700 m
Mass 1,125,000,000.00 kg

First off the Sig Rag and mass are pretty dumb since the Mach is bigger. Revelation has a smaller Sig Rad then the much smaller Archon yet has a slightly higher mass and is 3x the the physical size. Nyx has 50% more mass and 4-6 times the Sig Rad of other Capitals while being the same size as the Rev. The Mach has the silliest numbers for its size.

Perhaps they should take another look at how they handle size and mass on Ships because this is kinda silly. Ugh

Can we revisit my proposal to double titan size just because?

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Ines Fy
#16 - 2012-04-02 09:05:18 UTC
BrianOfNazerath wrote:
The reason capitals cant use normal gates is because they are too small. Well, the Region Gates are huge. Capitals such as carriers and dreads should be allowed to use them.

However, i feel that Supercaps, I.E Nyx, Aeon, Titan, should be unable to use any gates.


Just a thought


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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2012-04-02 17:01:50 UTC
Death to cynos!

Allow us to jump ourselves within our jump range and let the gates be damned!

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#18 - 2012-04-02 18:05:49 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Death to cynos!

Allow us to jump ourselves within our jump range and let the gates be damned!

I like this.

Add the following restriction to it, and I feel it makes sense:
Cap ships may use a cyno, or a special bookmark prepared specifically for this purpose.

Bookmark requirements:
Must be made by the cap ship pilot.
Non-Transferrable
Can only be used once in a 24 hour period. (Per bookmark, you can make several if you feel you need them, but they must be at least 1AU apart to avoid subspace fatigue issues)
Cannot be located on grid with orbital bodies like planets, moons, gates, or stations.
Self Generating cyno beacon appears at arrival site, during 1 minute process initiated by jumping ship. The jump may be aborted during this minute, but at the cost of starting the 24 hour cooldown on that bookmark used.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#19 - 2012-04-02 18:32:02 UTC
Signature Radius has nothing to do with phsyical size, period.

Signature radius is the electronic foot print of a ship.

Carriers are extremly noisy due to the amount of electronics they run updating fleet links to all of thier fighters and keeping fighter reactors lit.

Where as a battleship is very self contained ship and can afford to stealth thier ships a bit.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-02 22:10:01 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Signature Radius has nothing to do with phsyical size, period.

Signature radius is the electronic foot print of a ship.

Carriers are extremly noisy due to the amount of electronics they run updating fleet links to all of thier fighters and keeping fighter reactors lit.

Where as a battleship is very self contained ship and can afford to stealth thier ships a bit.

^^ this, sig radius is entirely separate from size, you could ahve a frigate (specializing in heavy surveillance and data transference) that when unshielded ahs the sig of a much alrger ship, because of all the electronics.