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Prevent players from activating their weapons on other players in highsec unless not in war
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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#141 - 2012-04-01 18:36:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Fit a tank fool.


Actually I have to agree with OP, T3 BC's have made a lot of ships unflyable even in high-sec WITH a tank...

T3 BC's have thrown the "mechanic" out of whack.

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#142 - 2012-04-01 18:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Vila eNorvic wrote:
In my case, apparently, a shuttle with a Tracking Computer I in its hold.

How did a suicide ganker in high-sec even manage to lock your shuttle before you were away? Were you flying afk? (If you were, tough, and there's your counter.)
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2012-04-01 18:46:02 UTC
OP you should:

1. Get out

2. Self destruct your pod ingame

3. Quit EVE Online to focus on self improvement IRL
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#144 - 2012-04-01 18:47:56 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Fit a tank fool.


Actually I have to agree with OP, T3 BC's have made a lot of ships unflyable even in high-sec WITH a tank...

T3 BC's have thrown the "mechanic" out of whack.


A deep space transport will tank 600 dps and have a buffer better than many battleships as well as having +2 warp strength.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#145 - 2012-04-01 18:53:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Fit a tank fool.


Actually I have to agree with OP, T3 BC's have made a lot of ships unflyable even in high-sec WITH a tank...

T3 BC's have thrown the "mechanic" out of whack.


A deep space transport will tank 600 dps and have a buffer better than many battleships as well as having +2 warp strength.


And wouldn't it be great if just EVERYONE flew the exact ship you're using to justify the continuation of this broken **** ?
Roll

Honestly, do you think at ALL before you hit "post" ?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#146 - 2012-04-01 18:55:37 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:


And wouldn't it be great if just EVERYONE flew the exact ship you're using to justify the continuation of this broken **** ?
Roll

Honestly, do you think at ALL before you hit "post" ?


So tanking your hauler is somehow wrong?

I dont get your argument here.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#147 - 2012-04-01 19:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
baltec1 wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:


And wouldn't it be great if just EVERYONE flew the exact ship you're using to justify the continuation of this broken **** ?
Roll

Honestly, do you think at ALL before you hit "post" ?


So tanking your hauler is somehow wrong?

I dont get your argument here.



It has nothing even to do with tank.

Once upon a time to gank a FREIGHTER you'd need about 15-20 battleships. Now you can do it at half the price.

You don't consider this will increase freighter ganks?

Anyhow, I'd just like to see it get back to the point it was before the T3 BC's came in. It would be nice for CCP to make that happen. People are just way too much of am easy target now.

Edit: Off topic posts removed, CCP Phantom

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2012-04-01 19:08:28 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:


You're picture is next to "stupid" in the dictionary... that's why.

It has nothing even to do with tank.

Once upon a time to gank a FREIGHTER you'd need about 15-20 battleships. Now you can do it at half the price.

You don't consider this will increase freighter ganks? Stop already hard done by indy guys from going about their business ?

Stop talking you're embarassing yourself.

Anyhow, I'd just like to see it get back to the point it was before the T3 BC's came in. It would be nice for CCP to make that happen. People are just way too much of am easy target now.


I do a frieghter run 3 times a day to jita and have yet to see a frighter gank happen. The rather simple solution is to not pack your freighter with soo much stuff that you make yourself a target. Frighters are for high bulk, low value items. If you want to transport high value items do so in a way that will not make you a target. blocade runner for example or do multiple runs in the frighter or supertanked orca.

Only the stupid get ganked.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#149 - 2012-04-01 19:10:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:


You're picture is next to "stupid" in the dictionary... that's why.

It has nothing even to do with tank.

Once upon a time to gank a FREIGHTER you'd need about 15-20 battleships. Now you can do it at half the price.

You don't consider this will increase freighter ganks? Stop already hard done by indy guys from going about their business ?

Stop talking you're embarassing yourself.

Anyhow, I'd just like to see it get back to the point it was before the T3 BC's came in. It would be nice for CCP to make that happen. People are just way too much of am easy target now.


I do a frieghter run 3 times a day to jita and have yet to see a frighter gank happen. The rather simple solution is to not pack your freighter with soo much stuff that you make yourself a target. Frighters are for high bulk, low value items. If you want to transport high value items do so in a way that will not make you a target. blocade runner for example or do multiple runs in the frighter or supertanked orca.

Only the stupid get ganked.


I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#150 - 2012-04-01 19:12:00 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
stuff


Why would you transport for over 1B isk in a single trip?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#151 - 2012-04-01 19:17:41 UTC
Quote:
Actually I want an Eve PvE server. I've mentioned it several times before. It wouldn't be difficult to do (relatively speaking). Just replace what pirates and enemies do with NPCs. Within 6 months its population would greatly exceed that of TQ.


Its called X and it blows.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
#152 - 2012-04-01 19:23:43 UTC
or you could just not autopilot, or tank your hauler.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#153 - 2012-04-01 19:24:28 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:


I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.


This from the guy who can't figure out how to not get ganked.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#154 - 2012-04-01 19:40:38 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.

I've never been suicide ganked, but I never do stuff where I would be. :) However, my source for how much of a danger it is is a major scale trader, operates in various places but also out of Jita, runs freighters, delivers me several billions worth of stuff repeatedly. Says he's not been suicide ganked in years, and that if it happens to you enough to be a serious problem for your trade, you are doing it wrong. (Also says the boomerang thing was "probably a little overpowered" so good it's removed and will be patched, in case someone is interested.)

If you get suicide ganked in a shuttle, I really have to wonder though. Would like to hear a proper after-action-report about that one. From either side. :)
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#155 - 2012-04-01 19:53:04 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
stuff


Why would you transport for over 1B isk in a single trip?



Well my experience of it is watching it happen to ppl I know. Most weren't even transporting over 1b.

This is the problem, there's an economics to it that's more eve-like as well. People will just gank you regardless of profit or for small profits.

It's not necessarily an "over 1b" issue.

Nor is it limited to itty 5's or other tankable ships.

One dude had just started the game, wanted to start couriering things as a sort of meta-profession and got his itty 4 ganked with very little in it.

You have to consider the culture when you talk about this stuff, people do things for laughs and at other times will just do things for a km.

I remember once losing a frigate on the jita gate just because it was one of those ships they gave us as a present - someone wanted the killmail ;)

The issue is that T3 BC's are making this kind of stuff far easier.

There's no point trying to say that "they will only gank you if it makes sense to gank you" because that's not entirely true either.

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Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2012-04-01 19:55:14 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Stop suicide ganking.

It´s totally out of balance, there isn´t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn´t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it´s just griefing.

Pilots that don´f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc´s then so what? It doesn´t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn´t have any valid reasoning behind it, it´s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.


I'm sorry dude..

No...
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#157 - 2012-04-01 19:56:11 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.

I've never been suicide ganked, but I never do stuff where I would be. :) However, my source for how much of a danger it is is a major scale trader, operates in various places but also out of Jita, runs freighters, delivers me several billions worth of stuff repeatedly. Says he's not been suicide ganked in years, and that if it happens to you enough to be a serious problem for your trade, you are doing it wrong. (Also says the boomerang thing was "probably a little overpowered" so good it's removed and will be patched, in case someone is interested.)

If you get suicide ganked in a shuttle, I really have to wonder though. Would like to hear a proper after-action-report about that one. From either side. :)


Yeah look I'm not some flaming carebear on this matter, I'm just saying I want to have it the way it WAS. You had to be doing something entirely STUPID to get sui-ganked and that was fine - eve is a learning curve and you learn this lesson and never do it again ;)

But the issue is that making it EASY for people to do means this rule of "doing something stupid" doesn't necessarily apply. It starts to mean that SOME MENTALITIES will gank you just for being there.

I have zero tears for someone who got ganked in a shuttle or something with bpo's in it ;)

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#158 - 2012-04-01 20:03:37 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
I have zero tears for someone who got ganked in a shuttle or something with bpo's in it ;)

Don't people use covops for those? Blockade runners if you have something that needs a bit more cargo hold.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2012-04-01 20:22:07 UTC
Jesus, no.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2012-04-01 20:23:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
I have zero tears for someone who got ganked in a shuttle or something with bpo's in it ;)

Don't people use covops for those? Blockade runners if you have something that needs a bit more cargo hold.

orca corp bays are unscannable
also, covops and blockade runners can't cloak when undocking