Ships & Modules

I don't disagree with you and neither did I write anything contradicting what you just wrote?

CCP have ruined a lot introducing T3 ships. Just as the Tier 3 battlecruisers are focused towards being fun for people (attracting more subscribers) more than being balanced towards the core of Eve Online...

Nothing was ruined, my friend. You weren't exempt from training t3 skills in the first place or you might as well apply to work for CCP, since you are clearly aware of what and what not.

With that aside, I have to add that I still do not agree with the OPs proposal given that command ships can easily fit 3 links, sustain a decent tank and also provide additional dps. This feat shouldn't be underestimated in small gangs. Also, Field command ships do pretty well in both the dps and tank department, and in some cases, they are noticeably better than t3s.

I'd also like to add that isk is technically a factor out of many others such as role, sp requirement, and availability that determine a ships performance. It's simply unreasonable for isk to not be a balancing factor. WHY? simple, NOBODY is going to fly T3s(that are costly) simply for versatility, if T2 variants perform better. You might as well purchase all the various t2 ships and still come out ahead. Take for example, the neut and drone subsystems of the legion. They are rarely used and that's if they are used at all, as well as a couple of other subsystems for other T3s (especially role defining subsystems) that fall into this category.

Even with lesser performance, T2s will still be flown, given that they are much cheaper and readily available.

But the extra subs for the t3s over the supposedly gang specialist ships mean it can make its self very hard to scan down, or have the covert sub for travel - the more skill intensive command ships not only lack this but have a worse bonus.

Its not like anyones complaining about ONLY a CS boosting at 3% instead of a t3 at 5%, make the change and give command ships some love its silly.

This is not a thread about weather links should give bonuses off grid, this is a change for the current no brainer t3 which shouldnt exist.

compare a loki to a huggin and come back to me when you realise its not as good as a huggin and thats why people fly them still.

poor poor command ships.

This guy is right. Basically you are nerfing the small gang pvp that still is alive in this game.


Terribad idea OP.

i completely agree with the OP.

I also want the command ship and fleet bonuses to only apply on-grid. e.g. if the character giving bonuses is visible as "on grid" on the watch list, bonuses apply.

but more than the OP i'd be nice for the t3s to be able to fit a wider array of command modules. e.g. a damnation can fit 3 links with massive buffs, maybe the t3 can fit more but less effective.

this way, command ships and t3s can live up to their role properly. one gives big boosts with big tank. one gives nice boost with speed.

everybody whining about their t3s losing boosts and saying that it will ruin small gang pvp if boosts have to be on grid, are the same guys that ruin small gang pvp because they have the alts logged in either sitting in a pos or "hard to probe" in a system.

put the links on the grid and it will really drive up the skills required and give us back some nice juicy fights.

On grid boosting runs counter to a drive towards smaller engagements. If one has a fleet of fifty pilots (for example) then there is a disincentive against dividing that into five squad missions in different areas of a system if only one of those squads receives bonuses. That's not to say that there is an incentive to split at present even though all can receive bonuses but that is (supposedly) the aim...

As to the T3s being required to have a greater bonus to give small gangs an advantage against entrenched defenders... Surely that's the point of entrenched defenders? Home field advantage contrasting against mobility and lightning strikes?

Quoting for amusement.

Edit: Also, links weren't an issue before because it took alot longer to train a link alt than it does now. T3 links have become a necessity to do practically anything involving ship pvp nowadays. If you don't have one you can bet your ass whoever you come across probably does. Want T3 links to be competitive (or better in a large number of your minds) then they should increase the training time to be on par with a command ship. There ya go, fixed, and everyone's happy except the ones that want on grid boosting.

Actually I agree with you. I was amused at the fact that "solo" these days means "dps ship + T3 link alt +falcon alt +cyno alt in case things go pear shaped".

It's really the combination of factors that makes it unbalanced. Mobility + nigh improbability + higher boosts and all with a lower training time is kind of ridiculous. If isk wasn't a factor with supercaps what makes these people think it's a factor with T3 link alts?

People calling for this change SEVERELY underestimate the benefits of being able to have your booster on field.