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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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GondriA
A Totally Anal Conceited Organization
#141 - 2012-03-31 17:57:34 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have to admit its **** funny watching how many people are shitting them lols..

Just spent the last 10 minutes scouting various forums and panic is well.. delicious Big smile.



Please share the fun with usTwisted


Too many posts on too many sites however the funniest has to be on reddit Big smile


give links to the ppl Lol
OfBalance
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-03-31 17:57:46 UTC
Reddit, sperging the hardest you say?
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#143 - 2012-03-31 18:34:01 UTC
Test is rounding up a list of people who got negged as the API updates and is planning to release it so we can laugh at the RMTers
GondriA
A Totally Anal Conceited Organization
#144 - 2012-03-31 18:36:33 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Test is rounding up a list of people who got negged as the API updates and is planning to release it so we can laugh at the RMTers


that will be ok if contains all the ppl and no only some
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-03-31 19:01:54 UTC
People saying Screegs needs go after the goons to make things fair is just dumb. Yes he used to be in goons and the alliance leader, but he takes his job seriously and is doing a great one at that. I personally do not care what alliance/corp/whatever you belong to, if you RMT enjoy your ban.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-03-31 19:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Test is rounding up a list of people who got negged as the API updates and is planning to release it so we can laugh at the RMTers


You mean they're outting their useless RMT accounts that have negative wallet balances so large as to make keeping them pointless. Yes, I can see how this might be construed as legit attempts to distance themselves from supposedly unknown RMT'ers.

On the other hand, characters with such large balances don't get those balances by being quiet or by not making a business out the game. So, Test's sincerity in this matter is dubious at best.

You know....when a character has a negative balance smaller than say 10b or less, one might assume he bought RMT isk or traded or earned the isk or purchased through plex or what not completely on his own. When those balances start hitting the negative 10's of billions of isk, something more is going on and there's not much you can do to convince me it isn't conspiratory throughout the alliance rather than individually.

Don't ban me, bro!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2012-03-31 19:22:06 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:


You mean they're outting their useless RMT accounts that have negative wallet balances so large as to make keeping them pointless. Yes, I can see how this might be construed as legit attempts to distance themselves from supposedly unknown RMT'ers.

On the other hand, characters with such large balances don't get those balances by being quiet or by not making a business out the game. So, Test's sincerity in this matter is dubious at best.

You know....when a character has a negative balance smaller than say 10b or less, one might assume he bought RMT isk or traded or what not completely on his own. When those balances start hitting the negative 10's of billions of isk, something more is going on and there's not much you can do to convince me it isn't systemic rather than individually.



The alliance wallets have not been hit so trying to make this into a "all of test RMTs" argument is just silly.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#148 - 2012-03-31 19:25:19 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
DrizzCat wrote:
Well we know that Screegs is watching the thread.

Can you atleast Confirm or Deny that the Isk was removed do to an RMT source.

Not asking for a Yes or No if PL are Guilty, just a Yes it was isk from an RMT source.


The actions of yesterday were RMT related. I won't discuss specifics or confirm or deny who may have been impacted or how.


You rock sreegs. You have fans, keep it up Twisted

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Taihbea
Doomheim
#149 - 2012-03-31 19:28:12 UTC
I'm impressed.
CCP is keeping their word.

Good for eve. Nothing else.
Kaldaine
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2012-03-31 19:28:18 UTC
I can confirm that Goonswarm was not affected by this. Noone in the alliance RMT's.
Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#151 - 2012-03-31 19:31:14 UTC
pl.. you dirty cheating bar stewards
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-03-31 19:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
baltec1 wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:


You mean they're outting their useless RMT accounts that have negative wallet balances so large as to make keeping them pointless. Yes, I can see how this might be construed as legit attempts to distance themselves from supposedly unknown RMT'ers.

On the other hand, characters with such large balances don't get those balances by being quiet or by not making a business out the game. So, Test's sincerity in this matter is dubious at best.

You know....when a character has a negative balance smaller than say 10b or less, one might assume he bought RMT isk or traded or what not completely on his own. When those balances start hitting the negative 10's of billions of isk, something more is going on and there's not much you can do to convince me it isn't systemic rather than individually.



The alliance wallets have not been hit so trying to make this into a "all of test RMTs" argument is just silly.


I did not say all of Test were RMT'rs. However, it's highly unlikely that noone in Test with authority doesn't know who RMT. And therefore, the sincerity of the act of outing their RMT'rs when those accounts are no longer able to serve a purpose AFTER the fact that they've been discovered and penalized is disingenuous?

How many people in a group of people don't know that some are potheads or who in the group sells pot? Some may not know, some do know, some facilitate and some participate.

Don't ban me, bro!

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#153 - 2012-03-31 19:33:11 UTC
I have seen several alliances go from being generally fun and above board groups of players to being involved in RMT and botting simply because "Hell, everybody does it. We need to stay competitive."

I'd like to see that situation swing around to "The payment you made to us was from RMT and now our wallet is in negatives, prepare to burn."

A cycle of self policing sparked by a very efficient RTM and bot detection system from CCP (and the negative balances that would result) would be a very healthy thing for the game as a whole.

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2D34DLY4U
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-03-31 19:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: 2D34DLY4U
Kytoth wrote:
Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2012-03-31 19:37:20 UTC
2D34DLY4U wrote:
I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#156 - 2012-03-31 19:38:12 UTC
2D34DLY4U wrote:
Kytoth wrote:
Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed.

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2D34DLY4U
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2012-03-31 19:44:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"


It takes effort to win tournaments, a different kind of effort than what is required to burn Jita, both are good examples of love for EVE.

Running a script and banning people is easy.
Thodoros
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-03-31 19:58:32 UTC
Ahhh!
It could not happen to a better bunch of ppl!
Keep it up CCP!
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-03-31 20:08:52 UTC
2D34DLY4U wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"


It takes effort to win tournaments, a different kind of effort than what is required to burn Jita, both are good examples of love for EVE.

Running a script and banning people is easy.


LMAO.

I like the way that people like you automatically assume that CCP simply ran a script - without any knowledge at all of what the process of taking the "RMT" ISK from PL involved - and didn't check the results either.

Simply because PL have won alliance tournaments so must be good guys mmmmm'kay.

Roll

PAN
Alexandr Kerensky
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-03-31 20:14:03 UTC
*munch munch munch* tasty popcorn! Big smile

Thus the PLEX/Ratting/ MOAR RMTing begins to get them out of the hole.