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How extended is the concept of Sandbox for this Burn Jita thing ?
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Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-03-31 17:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Judge Solace
VaMei wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:

"CONCORD contains a division called the Secure Commerce Commission which is jointly run by the major New Eden empires to ensure a safe and universally regulated trade environment."

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD


As I said, lore aside.


CCP define the Lore. They also provide the sandbox. CCP can change the atmospheric qualities of the sandbox as they see fit. Perfectly within the remit of a responce based on the OP's suggestion. Also CCP have been known to enter the Sandbox with specific events from time to time as NPCs. Nothing stopping them from doing so in any shape or form to provide a more enriched and immersive gaming experience.

Just since someone wants to push Lore aside to make the sandbox work in a certain way isn't a strong argument at all.
Justa Altlol
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-31 17:41:16 UTC
Or you could stop crying about it, avoid Jita for a day or two until the goons run out of ships and/or get bored and then make a killing selling stuff to people who got ganked. If I was a carebear industry type I'd be really excited.
Marcus Shamonomonom
Gift of Organs Donation Service
#23 - 2012-03-31 17:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Shamonomonom
I'm just guessing but i think the issue would be programming, and how not cost effective it might be to waste time on it for just one day/however long jita is targeted.

Not that some of the devs might not like the idea, but I'm sure they've got other things one their hands, Inferno and all that.

Disregard females Aquire currency
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#24 - 2012-03-31 17:46:11 UTC
More concord sent to jita means that there will be less concord elsewhere meaning other places would be less secured :o

I would like to see this, and explore other systems with next to no concord that are 1.0 systems :o
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-03-31 17:47:16 UTC
Judge Solace wrote:
"CONCORD contains a division called the Secure Commerce Commission which is jointly run by the major New Eden empires to ensure a safe and universally regulated trade environment."

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD
…and they will do exactly that during Burn Jita.

Again, just because EVE is a sandbox doesn't mean CONCORD has to change, adapt, or evolve in any way. In fact, if anything, the exact opposite is the expected behaviour: that they will behave exactly the same way they always do so as to not upset the sandbox and take things out of the hands of the players.
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-31 17:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Judge Solace
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:
I'm just guessing but i think the issue would be programming, and how not cost effective it might be to waste time on it for just one day/however long jita is targeted.

Not that some of the devs might not like the idea, but I'm sure they've got other things one their hands, Inferno and all that.


You guess wrong. They can jump in as chars as they like, they can spawn things as need be with GM abilities, its in the system

Given the revenge nature of this, might be a useful therapuetic proposal for Goons to have some pot shots at CCP pixels if it will help their mental health in the long term. ;)
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#27 - 2012-03-31 17:51:03 UTC
Alright, we'll play along.

For that day, Jita will be a 2.0 security system.

All other high sec systems drop to 0.5 or belowto reflect the unsusual deployment of concord forces.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-31 17:51:40 UTC
ApophisXP wrote:
More concord sent to jita means that there will be less concord elsewhere meaning other places would be less secured :o

I would like to see this, and explore other systems with next to no concord that are 1.0 systems :o


Considering that Jita is the major crime centre of the universe, this would be a sensible compromise.

Likewise they could be suplemented in ranks with factional navies if deemed of significant political interest. Sure Caldari can out afford paying CONCORD to look the other way for the Swarm. ;)
Hatch Nasty
Solus Inter Astra
Independent.
#29 - 2012-03-31 17:53:31 UTC
To iterate one step further on this idea, why should CONCORD be solely responsible for defending Empire space? The Caldari have a navy. They have a militia. They have major NPC corps. And the Caldari regions are heavily populated. An alliance has declared war on Jita, and by extension, the Caldari State. Why wouldn't the State reciprocate and declare Goonswarm a war target for any and all within the Caldari regions - high sec or low sec

If they did this, there's no need to augment or reinforce CONCORD. Let the residents of Caldari space join forces with CONCORD, the Caldari Navy, the State Protectorate, and the major NPC corps to defend their own territory against this terrorist organization. I mean, wasn't that the story basis for incursions? The Goons are planning an incursion, plain and simple. Let the residents of the Caldari regions fleet up and repel the incursion. That would be more interesting and realistic than just buffing CONCORD and letting them handle the problem

Talk about potential for large-scale, sub-capital fleet battles..


- Hatch
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-03-31 17:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Judge Solace wrote:
ApophisXP wrote:
More concord sent to jita means that there will be less concord elsewhere meaning other places would be less secured :o

I would like to see this, and explore other systems with next to no concord that are 1.0 systems :o


Considering that Jita is the major crime centre of the universe, this would be a sensible compromise.

Likewise they could be suplemented in ranks with factional navies if deemed of significant political interest. Sure Caldari can out afford paying CONCORD to look the other way for the Swarm. ;)


Lets not forget the CONCORD HQ was wiped out and that the threat of that minmatar fleet returning is still very real.

And the fact that the Caldari cannot afford to re-deploy their forces because that would open the door for the Gal navy to make gains.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#31 - 2012-03-31 17:54:45 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:

If CCP is going to play this sandbox universe as it should, then they have to use CONCORD as it should be used by an envirnment which is constantly evolving.


CONCORD and the rules surrounding it is the antithesis of the Sandbox.

If you want CONCORD to be a believable part of the gaming world environment, strip CONCORD of it's buffs making it beatable, and remove all the rules about not being able to avoid/escape CONCORD.
Dead Loss
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-03-31 17:58:38 UTC
Well to anyone thinking this is me crying over ganking and not being safe in Jita, check again my corp name and my security status under -7.
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-03-31 18:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Judge Solace
baltec1 wrote:
Judge Solace wrote:
ApophisXP wrote:
More concord sent to jita means that there will be less concord elsewhere meaning other places would be less secured :o

I would like to see this, and explore other systems with next to no concord that are 1.0 systems :o


Considering that Jita is the major crime centre of the universe, this would be a sensible compromise.

Likewise they could be suplemented in ranks with factional navies if deemed of significant political interest. Sure Caldari can out afford paying CONCORD to look the other way for the Swarm. ;)


Lets not forget the CONCORD HQ was wiped out and that the threat of that minmatar fleet returning is still very real.

And the fact that the Caldari cannot afford to re-deploy their forces because that would open the door for the Gal navy to make gains.


Aye let it snowball if need be. All for more immersive content with GM interaction. For me I'd like CCP to consider investing in more GMs with a significant agenda to provide some more random NPC interaction aswell as potential "background noise" associated with the EvE dialouge.

If the Universe burns so be it, if they turn their turrets towards Goons who attempt to threaten them so be it. "Commence au festival" I beleive your "why so serious" clown would emphasise. Blink

Current Citation for what Caladari can and cannot do please. Especially considering where we know the bulk of industry to be in the game.
Serene Repose
#34 - 2012-03-31 18:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
See if I have this one straight. Goons said they'll "burn" Jita. (I imagine Mitt sees it as his Reichstaag.) So...CCP needs to change the rules (in this game of no rules) for this special event? Why? Because in this sandbox (where there's no particular way anyone is "supposed" to play) there's this way we're supposed to play and CCP must allow us to play that way?

It's too early for me to be hitting the JD, but my eyeballs are totally out of focus at this point.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-03-31 18:11:44 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
See if I have this one straight. Goons said they'll "burn" Jita. (I imagine Mitt sees it as his Reichstaag.) So...CCP needs to change the rules (in this game of no rules) for this special event? Why? Because in this sandbox (where there's no particular way anyone is "supposed" to play) there's this way we're supposed to play and CCP must allow us to play that way?

It's too early for me to be hitting the JD, but my eyeballs are totally out of focus at this point.


Yep, Goons "write the script", didnt you know? RollBlink
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2012-03-31 18:12:13 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
It's too early for me to be hitting the JD, but my eyeballs are totally out of focus at this point.

Nah. Sometimes, that's exactly the right response, no matter the time of day.

…alternatively, it's because you've been doing that that you're seeing this thread. You never know. Blink
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-03-31 18:17:41 UTC
People who still don't know about it by the time it begins are playing a solo game anyway .... so i say let them burn jita who cares.Just go to any of the other hubs for your shopping needs or do some pre-shopping.


It's not like they can take over high-sec , they are jjust gonna play sandbox in one system that is all .If you can't cope with that then really your doing something wrong.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Justa Altlol
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-03-31 19:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Justa Altlol
Xorv wrote:
Dead Loss wrote:

If CCP is going to play this sandbox universe as it should, then they have to use CONCORD as it should be used by an envirnment which is constantly evolving.


CONCORD and the rules surrounding it is the antithesis of the Sandbox.

If you want CONCORD to be a believable part of the gaming world environment, strip CONCORD of it's buffs making it beatable, and remove all the rules about not being able to avoid/escape CONCORD.

When I started Eve for the first time concord were just normal NPCs except that they didn't drop loot and would respawn constantly in bigger waves each time. Tier 3 cruisers were brand new and were the best ships in the game at the time to give you an idea of how long ago this was. If I remember correctly concord got buffed because mOo (the original goonlike corp) was griefing newbies in the starter systems or something. I don't really remember.
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