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In Defense of Jita - CCP don't pass up this opportunity for in-game fun
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-31 04:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Mirrodin wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Concord and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape??


You may be confused as to the definition of "sandbox"


So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"?

From what I and everyone else understands it to be, its a system designed to where the players determine the events whcih can change the over aspect of the sandbox.

So, if goons assault Jita, then in the scope of a sand box, wouldn't this call for a response from the caldari, such as declaring war on goons in order to protect their sovereign territory?

Everyone wants Eve to be more of a sand box but when you mention the idea of aspects of the sandbox responding in the manner a sand box should, idiots cry foul.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#22 - 2012-03-31 05:13:24 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"?


You're missing the part where players actually do stuff themselves, rather than asking for CCP to hold their hands.

Let me say this again, to make it perfectly clear: NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM FIGHTING BACK. Did you get that? You can fight back against the Goons, you don't need CCP's permission or help to do so. Stop looking for CCP to hold your hand and protect you before you're willing to fight back, just do it.
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-03-31 06:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Benf Hawlr
I really don't think anyone wants their hand held. CCP could put more 'play' in the game by providing a guerilla tactic or concord fleet to allow the confused masses a chance at retribution. Stop being obtuse and pretending casual care bears can oppose big goon ops without some new mechanic.

I vote for concord issued kamikaze badgers that only detonate against corp/alliance members that have killed more than 20 non war decced ships in 10 minutes, in system or in systems one jump out from the killing fields. I'll fight back with one of those.

edit to add - i don't care about jita or goons. i'd just like to destroy something before it blows me up for once.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-31 11:35:20 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"?


You're missing the part where players actually do stuff themselves, rather than asking for CCP to hold their hands.

Let me say this again, to make it perfectly clear: NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM FIGHTING BACK. Did you get that? You can fight back against the Goons, you don't need CCP's permission or help to do so. Stop looking for CCP to hold your hand and protect you before you're willing to fight back, just do it.


I'm not asking CCP to do something about it before it happens, I'm just saying if/when it happens, I would think it's totally fit for the faction involved to declare war on the Goons and allow them to be war targets for FW players.
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#25 - 2012-03-31 19:43:04 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do.

Yeah I'd guess they are going to use alpha tornados with very little tank to try and take out freighters. I bet you could get through that with an alpha thrasher or something else that is cheaper than a tornado.

If you see any tier 3 BCs sitting outside jita waiting to blast someone by all means use a cheaper ship to blow them up. You'll win the isk war.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
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