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Skill planning and career advancement.

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Magda Sinitiainen
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-26 05:23:59 UTC
Just wondering if there is any consensus as to the best way for a rookie combat pilot to proceed: should I try to skill up to level 3 and level 4 mission boats as quickly as possible [with the recommended support certificates, of course], or should I be spending more time fleshing out my abilities with ships I can already pilot [such as Assault Frigates or Interdictors, for example]?

Does anyone have any guidance with regard to this topic? Horror stories of long training times to avoid?

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Orlacc
#2 - 2011-09-26 06:34:24 UTC
It is truly what you want to do. Wanna fly frigs? Go Assault Frigs. Like big booms? Go BS....see what you like and stick to it. Take your time it's more fun.

I vote for the flesh out option.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Signal11th
#3 - 2011-09-26 08:20:03 UTC
All depends what you want to do, if you just want to mission(PVE) then you probably want to stick to Battleships and all their related skills.

If you eventually want to PVP I would stick to either frigates or battlecruisers because most of the time thats what your going to be flying. If you want to become valuable in most fleets either try scouting(interceptors,cloaky) or logistics (get this upto lvl 5 and people will love you).

Personally I would stick to a battlecruiser or below and learn the skills relating to that as they will serve you better in the long run.

Battleships was what I first skilled for and use the least!

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

malaire
#4 - 2011-09-26 08:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Installing EVEmon and checking how much time different training targets will take would be good option. Also check out all the skills in EVE at least once to have some idea about what skills there are.

But in the end the question is what do you want. From quite early I decided to specialize in missiles and shield tanking, and ignore turrets and armor tanking. I also went to fly 2 billion ISK Raven Navy in level 4 missions before I could fly any T2 ship. For me this has worked but you might want something different.

I havn't been good in making single long term plan and sticking to it. Instead I have 17 different skillplans in EVEMon, and if I get bored of one I go through them and switch to something which feels better at the moment or just make completely new one. I also have plans like "all skills taking less than 24 hours" for those cases where I really don't know what to train, so I just take short skill which will make me a bit better at something I've been doing recently.

This has worked for me and I don't feel like I've made any big mistakes. But then I never trained for mining. Lol I've heard few players say that they regret training for Hulk so you might want to think twice before going there.

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Chal0ner
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#5 - 2011-09-26 09:58:11 UTC
malaire wrote:


This has worked for me and I don't feel like I've made any big mistakes. But then I never trained for mining. Lol I've heard few players say that they regret training for Hulk so you might want to think twice before going there.


Hmm, yes as he said combat pilot - going for a Hulk would be stupid. Agreed. Roll

As everyone say, it depends on what you want to do. "Combat pilot" means different things to different people.
Most 0.0 pvp-ers would call people doing L3 and L4 missions care bears, not combat pilots. For combat (pvp) ships I would go slowly - get the basic ship specific skills to 4, skill all support skills to at least 3, preferably 4 and the basic one like shield management, and capacitor skills to 5.

It's what I did with my combat character and it takes a bit longer, but you die less and can do more fits (some ships are not even possible to fit decently with less than a level 4 skill - (stop hiding in the corner Recons, I see you) ).
foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#6 - 2011-09-26 10:49:08 UTC
Just do not fall into the ALL LEVEL 5 trap.
IV or III in a lot of cases is enough.

I recommend rushing slightly to BC in order to do lvl3 missions, then fleshing out your frigate skills for PvP. All support skills for frigates work on BC as well, so you will be improving both at the same time.

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.

Magda Sinitiainen
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-27 05:06:43 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Take your time it's more fun.

This is good general advice, I suspect. ;)

Signal11th wrote:
Personally I would stick to a battlecruiser or below and learn the skills relating to that as they will serve you better in the long run.

I guess these are the bulk of PvP ships, which I hadn't really considered.

malaire wrote:
Installing EVEmon and checking how much time different training targets will take would be good option. Also check out all the skills in EVE at least once to have some idea about what skills there are...

I havn't been good in making single long term plan and sticking to it. Instead I have 17 different skillplans in EVEMon, and if I get bored of one I go through them and switch to something which feels better at the moment or just make completely new one.

I've been using EVEmon for plans, but I hadn't really explored the skills too much. This sounds like a good idea.

Chal0ner wrote:
As everyone say, it depends on what you want to do. "Combat pilot" means different things to different people.
Most 0.0 pvp-ers would call people doing L3 and L4 missions care bears, not combat pilots. For combat (pvp) ships I would go slowly - get the basic ship specific skills to 4, skill all support skills to at least 3, preferably 4 and the basic one like shield management, and capacitor skills to 5.

It's what I did with my combat character and it takes a bit longer, but you die less and can do more fits (some ships are not even possible to fit decently with less than a level 4 skill - (stop hiding in the corner Recons, I see you) ).

I guess that's an important distinction to make between playstyles, so I guess I can't be called a combat pilot yet. Although I can't really afford not to run missions, especially since I'm going to be losing ships whenever I can find PvP...

foksieloy wrote:
Just do not fall into the ALL LEVEL 5 trap.
IV or III in a lot of cases is enough.

I recommend rushing slightly to BC in order to do lvl3 missions, then fleshing out your frigate skills for PvP. All support skills for frigates work on BC as well, so you will be improving both at the same time.

Based on this and the other suggestions, I guess that's the path I will follow in the short term.

Thanks for the responses.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2011-09-27 05:46:03 UTC
I would highly recommend "fleshing out" all the skills to support T2 frigates. Make friends with people who run missions, mine, do low sec PvP, etc. Try to get involved with whatever activities your friends will take you on.

You can run L4 missions in assault ships (T2 frigates), or do exploration in covops frigates (T2 frigates), help take down bigger fleets while flying a stealth bomber, etc. Note that you won't be flying the ideal ship for any of these activities, but you'll be more useful than not being there at all :)

If you see me online please don't hesitate to contact me! I'll show you the parts of the hisec care bear lifestyle that I enjoy doing with T2 frigates, and how frigates compare with Battleships and Strategic Cruisers. Perhaps seeing all these things in action might convince you that one path is more attractive than another.

GL,HF!
Keno Skir
#9 - 2011-09-28 06:50:42 UTC
I'd suggest that as far as you're concerned "combat pilot" means shooting things for money, so you could probably ignore anybody who calls you a carebear for it. If u wanna make the cash quickly get a battlecruiser for missions up to lvl3 then switch to a t1 battleship to make a start on lvl4's. I enjoy flying many classes of ship for different jobs, but for pve the battleship is king. It's worth having a workhorse to make the cash to support your other interests.

Regards

Ks
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-28 08:01:45 UTC
"It depends on what you want to do."

When I started, it was a tad different (something called "learning skills" back then - they're gone now) but it boiled down to the same thing - which didn't help me a hell of a lot. "well if I knew everything I can do, I might be able to figure out what I want to do!"

As such - go general at the start. Work support, get some ship skills - TRY things out. Frigates are zippy, fast little things. Battlships, quite a bit more ponderous. Cruisers, and T2 variants, are between the 2. You might find that the market catches your eye for income - or manufacturing things to sell. You could end up doing mining or perhaps exploration to find hidden sites that you can loot stuff from.

There are myriad ways of making isk in the game and even more ways to spend/lose it.

So work your skills up while trying different things out. Take your time and see what portions of the game attract your attention.

The best overall advice: Find a group that you can get along with and join them. The biggest "I'm out" or "I'll stay" I've come across is when someone finds a good group to hang with. That's 100% based upon your personality and theirs - each group has its own "right fit" so shop around a bit but see about joining one.
Magda Sinitiainen
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-09-28 17:32:19 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
I would highly recommend "fleshing out" all the skills to support T2 frigates. Make friends with people who run missions, mine, do low sec PvP, etc. Try to get involved with whatever activities your friends will take you on.

You can run L4 missions in assault ships (T2 frigates), or do exploration in covops frigates (T2 frigates), help take down bigger fleets while flying a stealth bomber, etc.

I've added some Stealth Bomber and Recon frigates to my plan in EVEmon after Battlecruiser stuff. I cried a little when it said I wouldn't be done until April, haha.

Keno Skir wrote:
If u wanna make the cash quickly get a battlecruiser for missions up to lvl3 then switch to a t1 battleship to make a start on lvl4's. I enjoy flying many classes of ship for different jobs, but for pve the battleship is king.

Would you suggest going for Battleship before the. T2 frigates?

Mocam wrote:
The best overall advice: Find a group that you can get along with and join them. The biggest "I'm out" or "I'll stay" I've come across is when someone finds a good group to hang with. That's 100% based upon your personality and theirs - each group has its own "right fit" so shop around a bit but see about joining one.

I have been running combat missions almost exclusively for a while now, but just made about 40 million in contracts so I suppose I could now bankroll some other small time operations like exploration or something. As far as finding group, I see adverts for corps and so forth, but my corporate channel is typically a ghost town during my active hours. I will try asking around though.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2011-09-28 22:02:52 UTC
Magda Sinitiainen wrote:
Would you suggest going for Battleship before the. T2 frigates?


If your goal is purely and simply to make ISK, Battleships or Strategic Cruisers are the way to go. You will also want to talk to your doctor about getting a prescription for anti-depressants since playing the game purely to make ISK will bore you out of your skull and you will be resenting playing the game after a few months.

Training to T2 frigates will allow a greater range of activities, at a significantly reduced ISK income rate. But then if you're paying for your subscription with dollars rather than ISK, you won't need as much ISK income since the ships you fly will be significantly cheaper than a battleship. One battleship hull is about 80M ISK, one fully T2 fitted Assault Ship will cost around 40M ISK.

I would highly recommend arranging group outings with folks from your starter corp. Get to know people, have fun, see if you can't get invited to a corp that does the kind of stuff you find most interesting.
Keno Skir
#13 - 2011-09-29 02:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Yeah i would in fact reccomend that. If you are doing missions as a way to stay in the green ur gonna want a workhorse as early as possible. I'm not suggesting skipping any base skills, just training a nice battleship to use while u train specialist skills. Frigs may be fun, but ur not gonna churn through 20 enemy battleships in a lvl 4 mission in a t2 frig anywhere near as fast as if you used even a basically fit battleship.

Regards

Ks