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Eve Radio Midnight Tonight: This week in review, with Trebor, Seleene, Two Step and... The Mittani

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Vangelios
#61 - 2012-03-31 02:50:16 UTC
Aragoni wrote:
Love how Mittani is turning himself into the victim. There are no victims in this tbh. You ****** up Mittani, stop crying like a ***** and take it like a man.



Sorry but you miss the main point. This is about media coverage. One thing is to say that your toon (for instance) is an banana, another thing is to drag your real name all over the internet with stitched tag banana, when it's obvious that you are more of a nut.

He did take it like a man.

... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...
Swearte Widfarend
Ever Vigilant Fountain Defenders
#62 - 2012-03-31 02:52:45 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Well to be honest it seems to summarise what happened pretty well.

But more than that, it also seems a decent summary of goonswarm out of game tactics against their enemies in Eve Online.


I've got a great one, although not targeted at you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

That's what Massively did. And Jade, you can hate the character and the player all you want. But if you can't rationally examine what happened during fanfest, and since, I feel sorry for you. The only person who's real life has been negatively impacted by all of this is The Mittani - it's his RL name that's been dragged through the mud. Although I guess it's not cyberbullying because he's a goon, right?

I'd like you to show us the real-world names, faces, and contact information that the Goons are spreading around the internet, defaming or bullying people with.

Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#63 - 2012-03-31 02:54:54 UTC
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Well to be honest it seems to summarise what happened pretty well.

But more than that, it also seems a decent summary of goonswarm out of game tactics against their enemies in Eve Online.


I've got a great one, although not targeted at you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

That's what Massively did. And Jade, you can hate the character and the player all you want. But if you can't rationally examine what happened during fanfest, and since, I feel sorry for you. The only person who's real life has been negatively impacted by all of this is The Mittani - it's his RL name that's been dragged through the mud. Although I guess it's not cyberbullying because he's a goon, right?

I'd like you to show us the real-world names, faces, and contact information that the Goons are spreading around the internet, defaming or bullying people with.


I would be interested to see the court case really.

Would certainly be a landmark case and quite a high risk strategy for Alexander Gianturco to try to sue for defamation when the video of his behaviour at Fanfest is in wide circulation.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Hamshoe
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-03-31 02:56:17 UTC
Vangelios wrote:
Aragoni wrote:
Love how Mittani is turning himself into the victim. There are no victims in this tbh. You ****** up Mittani, stop crying like a ***** and take it like a man.



Sorry but you miss the main point. This is about media coverage.



Oh, that's right. It's not about what he did, it's about people knowing what he did.

He's taking it real well as long as everyone pretends he's the real victim.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-03-31 02:57:56 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Well to be honest it seems to summarise what happened pretty well.

But more than that, it also seems a decent summary of goonswarm out of game tactics against their enemies in Eve Online.


I've got a great one, although not targeted at you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

That's what Massively did. And Jade, you can hate the character and the player all you want. But if you can't rationally examine what happened during fanfest, and since, I feel sorry for you. The only person who's real life has been negatively impacted by all of this is The Mittani - it's his RL name that's been dragged through the mud. Although I guess it's not cyberbullying because he's a goon, right?

I'd like you to show us the real-world names, faces, and contact information that the Goons are spreading around the internet, defaming or bullying people with.


I would be interested to see the court case really.

Would certainly be a landmark case and quite a high risk strategy for Alexander Gianturco to try to sue for defamation when the video of his behaviour at Fanfest is in wide circulation.

Now Who's playing internet lawyer?
MORE RELAVENT THAN EVER
OfBalance
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-03-31 02:58:37 UTC
Show's over, gas thread.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-03-31 02:58:44 UTC
Hamshoe wrote:
Vangelios wrote:
Aragoni wrote:
Love how Mittani is turning himself into the victim. There are no victims in this tbh. You ****** up Mittani, stop crying like a ***** and take it like a man.



Sorry but you miss the main point. This is about media coverage.



Oh, that's right. It's not about what he did, it's about people knowing what he did.

He's taking it real well as long as everyone pretends he's the real victim.

If you were paying attention he talks about Eve and CCP more than about himself.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#68 - 2012-03-31 02:58:47 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Well to be honest it seems to summarise what happened pretty well.

But more than that, it also seems a decent summary of goonswarm out of game tactics against their enemies in Eve Online.


I've got a great one, although not targeted at you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

That's what Massively did. And Jade, you can hate the character and the player all you want. But if you can't rationally examine what happened during fanfest, and since, I feel sorry for you. The only person who's real life has been negatively impacted by all of this is The Mittani - it's his RL name that's been dragged through the mud. Although I guess it's not cyberbullying because he's a goon, right?

I'd like you to show us the real-world names, faces, and contact information that the Goons are spreading around the internet, defaming or bullying people with.


I would be interested to see the court case really.

Would certainly be a landmark case and quite a high risk strategy for Alexander Gianturco to try to sue for defamation when the video of his behaviour at Fanfest is in wide circulation.

Now Who's playing internet lawyer?
MORE RELAVENT THAN EVER


I made an observation. You goons are the ones wetting your knickers in fury Big smile

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-03-31 02:59:14 UTC
Aragoni wrote:
Love how Mittani is turning himself into the victim. There are no victims in this tbh. You ****** up Mittani, stop crying like a ***** and take it like a man.

You should post on your main.

Skill yourself!
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#70 - 2012-03-31 02:59:54 UTC
Prefacing the following statement with a massive "I am not a lawyer" statement. I studied Philosophy at uni, so I'm not really qualified to talk about this to begin with.

Anyway, isn't one of the main issues with suing someone for slander/libel/defamation that you have to show damages? That is, some kind of court-provable loss? Finances, sanity, health, etc?
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-03-31 03:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Townsend Harris
Amity Lane wrote:
Prefacing the following statement with a massive "I am not a lawyer" statement. I studied Philosophy at uni, so I'm not really qualified to talk about this to begin with.

Anyway, isn't one of the main issues with suing someone for slander/libel/defamation that you have to show damages? That is, some kind of court-provable loss? Finances, sanity, health, etc?

Yes which is why its not defimaton/libel and why there will be no court case yet. This does not mean that a media counter offensive to help repair 'damages done' to eve, CCP, and so on by bad reporting isn't needed.
Edit: I say yet because if something happens vis a vie relations with Sony/DUST then maybe CCP could show damages, and have a good case when they point out edited articles, this interview, etc.
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2012-03-31 03:05:45 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Townsend Harris wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Well to be honest it seems to summarise what happened pretty well.

But more than that, it also seems a decent summary of goonswarm out of game tactics against their enemies in Eve Online.


I've got a great one, although not targeted at you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

That's what Massively did. And Jade, you can hate the character and the player all you want. But if you can't rationally examine what happened during fanfest, and since, I feel sorry for you. The only person who's real life has been negatively impacted by all of this is The Mittani - it's his RL name that's been dragged through the mud. Although I guess it's not cyberbullying because he's a goon, right?

I'd like you to show us the real-world names, faces, and contact information that the Goons are spreading around the internet, defaming or bullying people with.


I would be interested to see the court case really.

Would certainly be a landmark case and quite a high risk strategy for Alexander Gianturco to try to sue for defamation when the video of his behaviour at Fanfest is in wide circulation.

Now Who's playing internet lawyer?
MORE RELAVENT THAN EVER


I made an observation. You goons are the ones wetting your knickers in fury Big smile



Hey Jade, I'm just gonna leave dis here~

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EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#73 - 2012-03-31 03:06:59 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
Prefacing the following statement with a massive "I am not a lawyer" statement. I studied Philosophy at uni, so I'm not really qualified to talk about this to begin with.

Anyway, isn't one of the main issues with suing someone for slander/libel/defamation that you have to show damages? That is, some kind of court-provable loss? Finances, sanity, health, etc?

Yes which is why its not defimaton/libel and why there will be no court case yet. This does not mean that a media counter offensive to help repair 'damages done' to eve, CCP, and so on by bad reporting isn't needed.
Edit: I say yet because if something happens vis a vie relations with Sony/DUST then maybe CCP could show damages, and have a good case when they point out edited articles, this interview, etc.



You should probably reference the proverb: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones".

CCP has a lot of legal exposure here since what happened, happened at their sanctioned (and supposedly content-approved) event.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Hamshoe
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-03-31 03:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamshoe
Townsend Harris wrote:
Hamshoe wrote:
Vangelios wrote:
Aragoni wrote:
Love how Mittani is turning himself into the victim. There are no victims in this tbh. You ****** up Mittani, stop crying like a ***** and take it like a man.



Sorry but you miss the main point. This is about media coverage.



Oh, that's right. It's not about what he did, it's about people knowing what he did.

He's taking it real well as long as everyone pretends he's the real victim.

If you were paying attention he talks about Eve and CCP more than about himself.


Yes, in the context that people shouldn't say bad things about him because it makes EVE look bad. OMG maybe DUST is in danger if people hear what kind of a jerk he is! You see, he's the real victim but now he's taking it upon himself to try and protect CCP.

It's artless crap.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-03-31 03:09:29 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


You should probably reference the proverb: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones".

CCP has a lot of legal exposure here since what happened, happened at their sanctioned (and supposedly content-approved) event.




Proverbs make for bad case law.
-off the cuff remark
- apologized
-company took action
vs
-media poop storm
-'cyber bullying' which has now been RETRACTED completely
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-03-31 03:11:09 UTC
Hamshoe wrote:

Yes, in the context that people shouldn't say bad things about him because it makes EVE look bad. OMG maybe DUST is in danger if people hear what kind of a jerk he is! You see, he's the real victim but now he's taking it upon himself to try and protect CCP.

It's artless crap.

Because when they read about him its not going to say GTA 5 player or MW 3 Player its says EVE ONLINE PLAYER, MADE BY CCP GAMES PARTNERED WITH SONY.
My god there are some dumb people in Test but NPC corps seems to collect the real bottom feeding idiots.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-03-31 03:13:42 UTC
Cord Binchiette wrote:
Worst program ever. How can anyone stand listening to him longer than 2 min?



I suspect most of the comments in this thread were made after listening less than 2 minutes.

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Hamshoe
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-03-31 03:14:33 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Hamshoe wrote:

Yes, in the context that people shouldn't say bad things about him because it makes EVE look bad. OMG maybe DUST is in danger if people hear what kind of a jerk he is! You see, he's the real victim but now he's taking it upon himself to try and protect CCP.

It's artless crap.

Because when they read about him its not going to say GTA 5 player or MW 3 Player its says EVE ONLINE PLAYER, MADE BY CCP GAMES PARTNERED WITH SONY.
My god there are some dumb people in Test but NPC corps seems to collect the real bottom feeding idiots.


Yeah, that's the important part. Everyone should just pretend he's the victim, otherwise CCP gets it in the neck.

That turd needs another coat of paint. Try again.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#79 - 2012-03-31 03:18:15 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


You should probably reference the proverb: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones".

CCP has a lot of legal exposure here since what happened, happened at their sanctioned (and supposedly content-approved) event.





-'cyber bullying' which has now been RETRACTED completely


The proverb was offered for the layman's consumption.

please google: "incitement to suicide".




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-03-31 03:18:30 UTC
Hamshoe wrote:
Townsend Harris wrote:
Hamshoe wrote:

Yes, in the context that people shouldn't say bad things about him because it makes EVE look bad. OMG maybe DUST is in danger if people hear what kind of a jerk he is! You see, he's the real victim but now he's taking it upon himself to try and protect CCP.

It's artless crap.

Because when they read about him its not going to say GTA 5 player or MW 3 Player its says EVE ONLINE PLAYER, MADE BY CCP GAMES PARTNERED WITH SONY.
My god there are some dumb people in Test but NPC corps seems to collect the real bottom feeding idiots.


Yeah, that's the important part. Everyone should just pretend he's the victim, otherwise CCP gets it in the neck.

That turd needs another coat of paint. Try again.

SO wait...YOu're saying that after hearing a civilized talk between Mittani and the journalist who wrote and introduced the 'cyber bullying' idea, which was picked up with by OTHER gaming media sites and then picked up HERE in these idiotic forums by NPC morons like yourself where in said journalist TOTALLY retracted the cyber bullying statement that the Mittani has not in any way been victimized, even inadvertently, by the MEDIA? and that said media **** storm will have no effect on CCP, Dust, or Eve.
This is NOT a discussion about fanfest, its a discussion about media coverage and the damage done to the person who is Mittani, CCP, and Eve online the game.