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Jita Will Not Burn
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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-03-30 06:26:41 UTC
corestwo wrote:

The fact that you think you actually know "the plan" is cute. Also, it's "Amarr". Two "r".


Meh all I need to know is that 1. you have declared you want to make Jita burn; and 2. you are claiming that you have more power than the free market.

Personally, I think the unseen hand is going to gank you.
Emily Heapy
Sinclair Corporation
#62 - 2012-03-30 07:32:54 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.


From what I've seen, Goons take this game way more seriously than anyone else. So it's likely that they do care about losing isk.

...


ahhhahahahahahaha

Best quote ever
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-03-30 08:47:27 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
making Burn Jita a selfless and altruistic gesture.


Finally, somebody 'gets' the Goons Lol
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-03-30 09:49:57 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Liberty Eternal wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.


From what I've seen, Goons take this game way more seriously than anyone else. So it's likely that they do care about losing isk.

Also, all those ships etc have to be bought from somewhere. I wonder where...


We are given money for getting our ships horribly burned and destroyed into space dust.

You are far...way far...from the truth citizen.

Money created by bots mostly? Cuz, you know, "Goons don't **** Goons" and "we're not going to do CCP's police work for them"... Cool
Doddy
Excidium.
#65 - 2012-03-30 14:35:35 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.



And your maths is terrible, you mistook 300 billion for 3 trillion and discounted everything other than goon tech income when calculating the available wealth to make this happen.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-03-30 15:12:47 UTC
Doddy wrote:
And your maths is terrible, you mistook 300 billion for 3 trillion and discounted everything other than goon tech income when calculating the available wealth to make this happen.


Ya, this was pretty poor as far as analysis goes.

Again, I'm not convinced either way, but the initial argument adds next to nothing to the discussion.

I do like the point raised about the player cap in Jita. If I were involved in the planning, I'd be talking to CCP's "planned fight" department because piling in to exclude other people entering may cause some issues, and it could also hypothetically be done back at them with minimum coordination among Jita users.
Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#67 - 2012-03-30 18:09:53 UTC
I would like to remind everyone that a resistance is being organized.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88910&find=unread

The moar you cry the less you pee
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-03-30 18:37:14 UTC
I wonder how many high sec zombies with indy / freighter alts have NO idea about Jita burning plans... I kind of hope it's a lot because that would be funny. Plus, pay attention to the game you play or whatever.

But anyway, player-created content is good, I support most of it (erring on the side of caution here). Quite curious to see how this one plays out, and oh btw, Jita WILL burn, but some will probably say that the fires weren't big enough Big smile
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-03-30 19:42:45 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.



And your maths is terrible, you mistook 300 billion for 3 trillion and discounted everything other than goon tech income when calculating the available wealth to make this happen.


Yeah I was off by a factor of 10 when figuring a very large number. Meh, **** happens and it especially happens on numbers that you don't really care about.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-03-30 20:37:39 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
I wonder how many high sec zombies with indy / freighter alts have NO idea about Jita burning plans...


Probably like 90% of them.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-03-30 21:07:17 UTC
A good number of them have no idea, I have been informing some of them. Others i will just let die.

For the Goons, please do this and unlike the usual efforts please put more into this one, I really dont want to be dissapointed by your effort to burn Jita, hell im a carebear and i will gladly fit a ton of ships to join you in the burning.


Kill kill kill and burn everything to the ground!

It will really help my margin's! plus jita has had its day in the sun its time to get people to spread out a little.
GreenSeed
#72 - 2012-03-30 21:34:18 UTC
enterprisePSI wrote:
I support any force that brings destruction in Eve.

cant make an omelette without blowing up a few freighters now, can we?
Mathis Athins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-03-30 23:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathis Athins
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.


Look, just by saying "Goons will do X" will get a major reaction out of carebears. Just watch the markets over the next month or so, people will be stocking up in raw materials and preparing for potential inaccessibility of Jita for at least a week or two. All that without firing a single shot

Plan "Gank every freighter that jumps into Jita on an average day" is, as you stated, logistically unfeasible. Plan "gank every freighter that jumps into Jita on the 'Burn Jita' day" is easily feasible as the first few wrecks will cut down the number of pilots jumping in dramatically. The mere threat of "we'll gank every freighter jumping in" will scare off most of them. Goons can easily blockade every gate against any slow moving ships and Jita market volumes are so huge that covops haulers just can't take care of the business - and even those may be gankable if Goons just pile up enough people into the system (can't cloak if every square kilometer of space around gates is occupied by a Goon)

There is also the secondary issue of Jita population cap. Goons can easily blob out the system so that nobody is even able to jump in, tho such an act may be risky as it may give a reason for CCP to intervene.


Quoted because someone in this thread actually gets what this is about.

The CFC isn't doing this for KMs (well maybe the Grunts, but not politically).

They are not concerned about cost ratios or any of that math.

They are doing this as a political statement. They are doing this to flex their muscles and say, "Yep we can close off the games major trade hub just out of fear if we want to." It doesn't matter to them if you fly in there and get destroyed, or if you simply avoid Jita for however long they occupy it, they have made their political statement by "destroying Jita," that is destroying the major trade hub's ability to function normally.

As the quoted poster said, " just by saying 'Goons will do X' will get a major reaction out of carebears." This is all about fostering an image, so that any time Goons say they are going to do X the community lights up.

This is all about e-peen.

Honestly though I must say bravo to them, its things like this that give Eve its flavor.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#74 - 2012-03-31 00:35:50 UTC
If this works I'm not giving any money for the next CONCORD Policeman's Ball.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-03-31 11:11:24 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:

Jita is a 0.9 system. A ship can normally get off one, but not two, volleys before getting concorded.

And this is assuming Goons will sit in just Jita just all day. Its the cluster focal point, but nothing says Goons will also have a heavy presence in Udema / Sivala gates where traffic is highest in EVE after Jita as every freighter ponders towards Jita. Good place to use less pilots to gank a single ship, meaning if you have "25" to gank a freighter that is another 2-3 individiual ganks in the same time span using the same amount of pilots = more ganks in the same amount of time span after a hours vs Jita. My money is on the gates as well towards Jita, not just Jita as well. Pretty sure Orcas will be going boom as well and anyone not able to fly a Tornado / Arttypoc / Maelstrom (last one at this point, don't know why you would) can help out in a destroyer / hurricane against the industrials. So shall Jita burn, so shall the ships destroyed last hour glow like embers in a fire!
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-03-31 11:37:24 UTC
i woulnd t be suprised if there just blowing smoke end of the day the guy got himself banned for eve i very much doubt ccp will allow them to impact on the player base of eve due to a personal vendeta towards ccp.
Olivia Ashley
Virtual Industry Inc.
New Eden Bling Empire
#77 - 2012-04-05 04:58:52 UTC
Revii Lagoon wrote:
~Jita shall burn~

~Deal with it~


You're a tool