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In Defense of Jita - CCP don't pass up this opportunity for in-game fun
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Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-29 20:57:31 UTC
CCP don't pass up this opportunity for in-game fun. With goons stated goal of 'burning down Jita' on the near horizon, how about playing this into an EVE story line element 'The Defense of Jita'. CONCORDE could enlist the aid of players in a home defense fleet. Perhaps provide kamikaze type boats that only detonate when they contact a goon member luuuulllllzzzzzz. Ill scarifice my alts all day long to keep Goons from violating our wimenz come that tarrible tarrible day. April 28th 2012 i believe.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#2 - 2012-03-29 21:30:24 UTC
Organize a live event where, if the goons achieve a certain level of carnage (____ kills per hour), concord becomes overwhelmed and cannot respond to every gank. It's up to the players to tackle and execute the criminals.

I'm putting together ideas for some unique builds for my part in Burn Jita. Should be fun if I get involved.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-03-29 21:36:44 UTC
Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do.
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-29 21:50:51 UTC
I suggest CCP do something because the people most affected by this will be casual players and they (we) usually have lives that preclude planning extensive in-game events. I can however log in and say '**** yeh concorde I'll drive kamikaze badgers into 1200 man goonfleets all day long that day. And love every minute of it.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-03-29 22:02:31 UTC
Benf Hawlr wrote:
I suggest CCP do something because the people most affected by this will be casual players and they (we) usually have lives that preclude planning extensive in-game events. I can however log in and say '**** yeh concorde I'll drive kamikaze badgers into 1200 man goonfleets all day long that day. And love every minute of it.


No, CCP shouldn't do anything at all. What the Goons are planning to do in Jita is exactly the kind of gameplay that Eve encourages and thrives on. There's nothing at all wrong with it.
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-29 22:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Benf Hawlr
mxzf wrote:
[quote=Shovel Bros] INo, CCP shouldn't do anything at all. What the Goons are planning to do in Jita is exactly the kind of gameplay that Eve encourages and thrives on. There's nothing at all wrong with it.


Not only is there nothing wrong with it, its freaking great! And I would like to be involved in some way besides running my ships headlong at them and dieing. CCP could back a desperate defense which wold allow some parity between care bears and goons. I think this would actually bring the community together in an odd sort of way.

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Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-30 13:57:36 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do.


And watch all of your DEF fleet get ripped apart because someone doesnt KNOW HS combat rules
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-30 14:18:55 UTC
The good thing about eve is that live events dont need to be organized by CCP, its all based around what people do.
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-30 17:19:39 UTC
Yah, i know its based around what people do. I sincerely hope goons f with Jita so long and so much that it changes the way gallente space operates. Decreasing trade centralization can only be good for the game. And they will f with Jita, and trade will become decentralized somewhat, and it will be a good thing. However I'll just avoid Jita for a little bit, because there is no way I or the five active guys in my mains corp can have any impact in this nor are we likely to spend time organizing a counter offensive.

Iman Atheist
Society of Shadow
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-03-30 17:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Iman Atheist
I'd love to be in that defence fleet.

Hmm, your arguments against interference are valid, but I think CCP should at least think of some way to prevent people who are fighting the ganker fleet from being popped by CONCORD. In essence, CONCORD should be able to tell when somebody is helping them against the gankers, and not shoot that ship. That is all.

Heh, and I don't even like Jita. I'd actually like some other hubs to have more traffic and gain in importance. The more people out of Jita the be-- Wait, am I rooting for the Goons here?... Inner conflict... growing... Must resolve... cognitive dissonance...
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-30 18:51:54 UTC
Why shouldn't CCP do anything??

This has been driving me crazy since the icecapades in Gallente space.

Both concord and the factions are responsible for keeping their high sec systems safe. So, why do they not respond to a hostile take over by player corps/alliances?

They're part of a sand box game, so they need to have a sandbox style response. Perhaps since it's Caldari space, then perhaps Caldari would declare war on Goonswarm, thus allowing FW players to freely shoot Goons in Caldari space?

In that same window, if you wish to assist in taking down the Goons and stopping their Invation, then all you'd need to do is join the Caldari FW team.

This not only pulls the factions into the realm of the sand box, but also gives CCP the opportunity to create player based incursions. How awesome would it be to have pure pvp incursions????
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2012-03-30 19:05:30 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Why shouldn't CCP do anything??

This has been driving me crazy since the icecapades in Gallente space.

Both concord and the factions are responsible for keeping their high sec systems safe. So, why do they not respond to a hostile take over by player corps/alliances?

They're part of a sand box game, so they need to have a sandbox style response. Perhaps since it's Caldari space, then perhaps Caldari would declare war on Goonswarm, thus allowing FW players to freely shoot Goons in Caldari space?

In that same window, if you wish to assist in taking down the Goons and stopping their Invation, then all you'd need to do is join the Caldari FW team.

This not only pulls the factions into the realm of the sand box, but also gives CCP the opportunity to create player based incursions. How awesome would it be to have pure pvp incursions????


CCP shouldn't do anything because anything they could do would be contrived. The ONLY thing the Goons have in ganking in Jita (or anywhere) that 'defenders' don't have right now is coordination. Seriously, that's it. If every highsec player got together as a group and decided to gank every single Goon in highsec, it would be just as valid as what the Goons are planning to do.

If people want to fight Goons, then there is nothing stopping them except their own cowardice and unwillingness to band together. CCP shouldn't be deciding "these people are ok to attack in highsec, but these aren't". Goons have no innate advantage or disadvantage in ganking people compared to highsec people, the ONLY difference is that they are organized and have the guts to attack. That's it.

Oh, and if you think ISK is an issue, some of the richest characters in Eve are traders in Jita (Goons may have moon goo, but much/most of the moon goo goes through the hands of the traders in Jita). If people truly want to repel Goons from Jita, there is financial backing to be had.
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-30 21:38:45 UTC
There is no reason the sandbox owner cannot create a sandbox event that will organize a response to the goons that day. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming response. Perhaps a CONCORDE call to arms. I think it'd be fun for everyone including goons. This Jita thing sounds very predictable; well organized goons come in and screw with poorly organized everyone else. Ends when goons get bored. O thats so much fun.
I also would love to see a day or two where CONCORDE rebels or becomes ineffective and chaos reigns in high sec. Anything to put some dynamic action into this game.. Something to mix it up a bit.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-03-30 22:04:56 UTC
Benf Hawlr wrote:
There is no reason the sandbox owner cannot create a sandbox event that will organize a response to the goons that day. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming response. Perhaps a CONCORDE call to arms. I think it'd be fun for everyone including goons. This Jita thing sounds very predictable; well organized goons come in and screw with poorly organized everyone else. Ends when goons get bored. O thats so much fun.
I also would love to see a day or two where CONCORDE rebels or becomes ineffective and chaos reigns in high sec. Anything to put some dynamic action into this game.. Something to mix it up a bit.



Arrange it yourself.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-30 22:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Concord and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape??
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-30 22:49:27 UTC
The faction warfare idea sounds pretty good to me.
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#17 - 2012-03-30 22:59:14 UTC
Well, since high sec stations can not really be attacked, CCP would have to come in if they were REALLY going to do something with Jita....

Heh... could you imagine the economic impact if Jita 4-4 was popped?
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-30 23:10:49 UTC
I was gonna suggest that CCP have a concorde rebellion. Have them travel into null and smash some sov structures or even blow up a whole station with everything inside. Remember the disclaimer on the startup screen, Game play subject to change or something to that effect. That'd for sure change game play lol.
Mirrodin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-30 23:41:39 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Concord and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape??


You may be confused as to the definition of "sandbox"
Benf Hawlr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-03-31 02:38:37 UTC
Iman Atheist wrote:
I'd love to be in that defence fleet.

Hmm, your arguments against interference are valid, but I think CCP should at least think of some way to prevent people who are fighting the ganker fleet from being popped by CONCORD. In essence, CONCORD should be able to tell when somebody is helping them against the gankers, and not shoot that ship. That is all.

Heh, and I don't even like Jita. I'd actually like some other hubs to have more traffic and gain in importance. The more people out of Jita the be-- Wait, am I rooting for the Goons here?... Inner conflict... growing... Must resolve... cognitive dissonance...



Maybe if a single corp or alliance gets x kills in x minutes the whole corp or alliance in that system or one jump out, gets criminal status for x minutes.
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