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Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-28 18:37:28 UTC
Hello everyone,

I'm on my last day of the trial and ready to sign up for this amazing game. Totally hooked.
Having done all but the Advanced Military agent missions, I am left with some basic questions for which I hope to find answers and make my journey into New Eden a little more "viable" :)

1. Combat
Coming from WoW I am used to the hotkey, tab targeting and direct movement in combat.
In EvE I am adapting to a more indirect control scheme but I was wondering if there are ways to make it less "mouse intensive".
By that I mean if there are a number -let's say 4- enemy targets on my overview, I am trying to train some muscle memory on keyboard hotkeys. Right now I am using CTRL to target them all one by one, then Q to approach the nearest one and F1 to activate my weapons as soon as I get in range. Then lots of stuff happens and I get a little overwhelmed. Any tips there?

2. Professions
I really like the Exploration part of the game, especially the prospect of Archaeology. Down the line, should I move into lower sec spaces to reap more rewards?

3. Gathering resources
Planetary Interaction seems intriguing to me. Where does that hook into professions? Industry? What would be a basic course and is it a viable playstyle or just an auxiliary way of procuring resources. And for what main purpose are these planetary resources used?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

TIA
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-03-28 19:02:32 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:
Hello everyone,

I'm on my last day of the trial and ready to sign up for this amazing game. Totally hooked.
Having done all but the Advanced Military agent missions, I am left with some basic questions for which I hope to find answers and make my journey into New Eden a little more "viable" :)

1. Combat
Coming from WoW I am used to the hotkey, tab targeting and direct movement in combat.
In EvE I am adapting to a more indirect control scheme but I was wondering if there are ways to make it less "mouse intensive".
By that I mean if there are a number -let's say 4- enemy targets on my overview, I am trying to train some muscle memory on keyboard hotkeys. Right now I am using CTRL to target them all one by one, then Q to approach the nearest one and F1 to activate my weapons as soon as I get in range. Then lots of stuff happens and I get a little overwhelmed. Any tips there?

Tip: don't use approach. Use Orbit or Keep Range if you must, but don't forget the value of manual piloting.

Yeah, combat is a bit overwhelming when starting out. Try to zoom out to get a feel for exactly what's going on. If it's PvP, take a deep breath and rein in your adrenaline rush.

Best thing to do? Find a good bunch of people to hang out with, and practice, practice, practice. A lot of combat is knowing what to do when, and how to react to changing situations. Just like any form of combat IRL, situations in Eve often Charlie Foxtrot, so you need to be able to think on your feet. The only way to learn how to do that is to die over and over. Pro tip: in PVP, use cheap ships like frigates until you have some confidence on knowing how things work.

Yero Entyre wrote:

2. Professions
I really like the Exploration part of the game, especially the prospect of Archaeology. Down the line, should I move into lower sec spaces to reap more rewards?


Yes. Lowsec, nullsec, and w-space all have greater rewards in exploration than hisec does. However, it's hard to survive solo out in nullsec or w-space, so make sure you have a good corp if you do that.

Yero Entyre wrote:

3. Gathering resources
Planetary Interaction seems intriguing to me. Where does that hook into professions? Industry? What would be a basic course and is it a viable playstyle or just an auxiliary way of procuring resources. And for what main purpose are these planetary resources used?


Harvesting planet stuff is just the first step in a 4-tier refining process to get "high end" resources. These are used for various things, like POS fuel and resources, T2 production, and other things. So, it sort of links into industry, but it's quite a bit different from the rest of industry. Check this page from Eve University for more.

Lastly... welcome to Eve!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-28 19:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yero Entyre
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Tip: don't use approach. Use Orbit or Keep Range if you must, but don't forget the value of manual piloting.


Thanks, these are the type of pointers I was looking for.


Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Yeah, combat is a bit overwhelming when starting out. Try to zoom out to get a feel for exactly what's going on. If it's PvP, take a deep breath and rein in your adrenaline rush.

Best thing to do? Find a good bunch of people to hang out with, and practice, practice, practice. A lot of combat is knowing what to do when, and how to react to changing situations. Just like any form of combat IRL, situations in Eve often Charlie Foxtrot, so you need to be able to think on your feet. The only way to learn how to do that is to die over and over. Pro tip: in PVP, use cheap ships like frigates until you have some confidence on knowing how things work.


I got quite a few ships as rewards from just doing the missions, so I guess that's a nice cushion for sparring :)

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Yes. Lowsec, nullsec, and w-space all have greater rewards in exploration than hisec does. However, it's hard to survive solo out in nullsec or w-space, so make sure you have a good corp if you do that.


Next step after the intro missions is to find a corp, after all it's an MMO and I am fascinated by the PvP aspect (market/combat/meta). Thanks for clearing that out. Glad to hear it's adaptive RNG (risk/reward).

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Harvesting planet stuff is just the first step in a 4-tier refining process to get "high end" resources.


The link you've provided shed a lot of light into the function of PI and the approach to take, answering my question. Thank you.


Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Lastly... welcome to Eve!


Many thanks. I find that, despite the image this game has garnered (I have been following it quite closely for a couple of years out of sheer interest for MMOs), the playerbase is actually the most mature and eloquent of all and it's a great draw. More akin to Casino Royale than Snatch (both great works of film). Outsider perspective... FWIW.
gfldex
#4 - 2012-03-28 20:18:36 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:
Next step after the intro missions is to find a corp, after all it's an MMO and I am fascinated by the PvP aspect (market/combat/meta).


Don't forget to ask for killboard links. Folk seam to be a bit overenthusiastic when claiming activity. After all you can't lose a ship if you ain't logged in. The timestamps tend to be in GMT. It helps when you can be online when they are.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-03-28 20:32:43 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:
Many thanks. I find that, despite the image this game has garnered (I have been following it quite closely for a couple of years out of sheer interest for MMOs), the playerbase is actually the most mature and eloquent of all and it's a great draw. More akin to Casino Royale than Snatch (both great works of film). Outsider perspective... FWIW.

Well... the community response depends on where you ask something, how you ask it, and what the question is. Trial and New Citizen Q&A (along with most of the smaller subforums) tend to be pretty civilized places, while General Discussion is a continual mess.

In general, try to limit self-pride to what you can back up with proof/actions. I sometimes feel like the rootin'est tootin'est frigate pilot around, but I try to not let that show too much since I am almost definitely going to be smacked down. Instead, try to go for courteousness, reasonableness and all that good stuff, and stay away from topics that lack it (e.g. the Mittani threads in General Discussion right now).

Oh, and I should mention, the first rule of Eve: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Seriously. Even in the highest of hisec there's a chance you'll get killed by someone looking for cheap kicks. Every time you get into a ship, think "if it dies between my pushing the undock button and the next time I dock up... can I live with that?"

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-28 21:02:46 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Well... the community response depends on where you ask something, how you ask it, and what the question is. Trial and New Citizen Q&A (along with most of the smaller subforums) tend to be pretty civilized places, while General Discussion is a continual mess.


I have assessed that carefully. Still my appraisal of the playerbase is that it's largely very mature and intelligent, props to that. Your reply here is an example of it. Hats off, sir.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

In general, try to limit self-pride to what you can back up with proof/actions. I sometimes feel like the rootin'est tootin'est frigate pilot around, but I try to not let that show too much since I am almost definitely going to be smacked down. Instead, try to go for courteousness, reasonableness and all that good stuff, and stay away from topics that lack it (e.g. the Mittani threads in General Discussion right now).


I'm 34 and have been playing PC games since the late 80's , been on the internet since '95, done MUD's , pen&paper, etc etc. so that's the kind of mindset I expect from a game but I am not oblivious to current internet culture.
I'm not much for egostroking or e-peen in general so I guess I shall learn by the ropes about in game posture. Over the course of the past few days I followed the Fanfest "aftermath" in GD. I remember the same kind of "high drama" with the Monocle. Not to involve myself in that but -again, from an outsider perspective- it's actually favoring EvE and CCP IMHO. Notoriety goes a long way in PR. And this game seems to live up to that over the years I've followed it from the sidelines. It's intriguing to be part of this even though I regard it as just a fraction of the gameplay experience.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Oh, and I should mention, the first rule of Eve: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Seriously. Even in the highest of hisec there's a chance you'll get killed by someone looking for cheap kicks. Every time you get into a ship, think "if it dies between my pushing the undock button and the next time I dock up... can I live with that?"


It is what makes it more alluring over the other MMOs where endgame exists like it is a dance competition and PvP is just a matter of gear and e-peen where, in contrast, EvE seems more like a game where anyone with a brain and some persistence can enjoy the full depth of the mechanics but with the thrill of omnipresent risk. That learning cliff actually is what attracted me to the game.

Hungry!


gfldex
#7 - 2012-03-28 21:25:22 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:
Over the course of the past few days I followed the Fanfest "aftermath" in GD.


It would be pretty terrible if nobody would care.

Yero Entyre wrote:
Hungry!


You may want to try some Long-limb Roes.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-03-28 22:12:31 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:

It is what makes it more alluring over the other MMOs where endgame exists like it is a dance competition and PvP is just a matter of gear and e-peen where, in contrast, EvE seems more like a game where anyone with a brain and some persistence can enjoy the full depth of the mechanics but with the thrill of omnipresent risk. That learning cliff actually is what attracted me to the game.

Hungry!


Well... the shininess of the gear does matter, but only to a certain extent. I live for the moments when I catch someone with much shinier stuff mess up, and I get to be the one to relieve them of said stuff.

Eve's community is odd among game communities as its average player age is much higher than usual (26 or so, if I recall correctly). That may be the reason for the extra "maturity" or civility, but the opposite exists as well. At any rate, I'm only 20, so make what you will of that.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-28 22:16:59 UTC
gfldex wrote:

It would be pretty terrible if nobody would care.


Imagine that. A sub-niche without drama is like an Alliance panel without J├Ągermeister.

gfldex wrote:

You may want to try some Long-limb Roes.


Bear
Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-28 22:37:12 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Well... the shininess of the gear does matter, but only to a certain extent. I live for the moments when I catch someone with much shinier stuff mess up, and I get to be the one to relieve them of said stuff.


I understand that's what the game is about so it's only natural to have metrics or KPI's but those comprise more of actual skill or wits than most MMO's.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Eve's community is odd among game communities as its average player age is much higher than usual (26 or so, if I recall correctly). That may be the reason for the extra "maturity" or civility, but the opposite exists as well. At any rate, I'm only 20, so make what you will of that.


What I make of it is that the learning curve of this game deters most of the instant gratification/entitled individuals. Sure a vocal minority/lowest common denominator exists in every subculture. From what I've seen in EvE, intelligence is encouraged. Age can be an indicator of maturity but very often isn't.

I have been ganked many times in other MMO's , brutally. But I respect that. It makes me a better player. It's a game. Even in EvE with the drama and stuff.

Bushido.
Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-28 22:53:49 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Yero Entyre wrote:
Over the course of the past few days I followed the Fanfest "aftermath" in GD.


It would be pretty terrible if nobody would care.


But really, just to chime in my trial nub pub NPC outsider 2ct :

It's good that people care about the core matter at hand, I agree it's a valid discussion in principle.

The Wis is fine. Mittani groveled. Lessons learned. Egos got shattered. Humility faced. Let's not blow it out of proportion and just enjoy this game for what it is. Let CCP sort it out. I think some people really need to broaden their perspective....



gfldex
#12 - 2012-03-28 23:47:19 UTC
Yero Entyre wrote:

The Wis is fine. Mittani groveled. Lessons learned. Egos got shattered. Humility faced.


I do not agree here. The whole thing goes much deeper. Any goon would take a 30 day ban for being offensive as a trophy. They are childish pricks with very little understanding what politeness was invented for. Now that it hurt them, and losing a CSM seat does hurt internet spaceship politics indeed, they cry foul play. At the same time they miss out on the fact that The Mittani got a RL and might be judged (I believe he is a lawyer, har har har) in a RL context for what he did. It's on youtube and as such will not leave us any time soon. On top of that he has hurt the reputation of a community that didn't really have any to start with. "Oh that game, wasn't that where somebody got somebody driven into suicide. Oh, nobody actually died? I didn't know that." Or: "My son is not going to play _that_ game!" Or even better: "I'm a republican running for senate. I need voters. What kind of game can I get banned?"

The whole thing is much bigger then some dude getting drunk at the wrong time, _because_it's_on_youtube_. I know, that's just sad but I can't change how the general public operates.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#13 - 2012-03-28 23:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
gfldex wrote:
Yero Entyre wrote:

The Wis is fine. Mittani groveled. Lessons learned. Egos got shattered. Humility faced.


I do not agree here. The whole thing goes much deeper. Any goon would take a 30 day ban for being offensive as a trophy. They are childish pricks with very little understanding what politeness was invented for. Now that it hurt them, and losing a CSM seat does hurt internet spaceship politics indeed, they cry foul play. At the same time they miss out on the fact that The Mittani got a RL and might be judged (I believe he is a lawyer, har har har) in a RL context for what he did. It's on youtube and as such will not leave us any time soon. On top of that he has hurt the reputation of a community that didn't really have any to start with. "Oh that game, wasn't that where somebody got somebody driven into suicide. Oh, nobody actually died? I didn't know that." Or: "My son is not going to play _that_ game!" Or even better: "I'm a republican running for senate. I need voters. What kind of game can I get banned?"

The whole thing is much bigger then some dude getting drunk at the wrong time, _because_it's_on_youtube_. I know, that's just sad but I can't change how the general public operates.


Best solution I've seen so far related to Mittens huge mistake: Let CCP drop the banhammer on him. Beside the Goons themself he won't be missed by many other people.

And I think it's fair, he made CCP, EVE Online and it's community look bad and as the chairman of CSM6 he should have known better.

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Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-29 01:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Yero Entyre
gfldex wrote:

The whole thing is much bigger then some dude getting drunk at the wrong time, _because_it's_on_youtube_. I know, that's just sad but I can't change how the general public operates.


Still observing all that from an outsider perspective, meaning helicopter ( T-1000) view...

Things are being dealt with right now by CCP. Far as I can see they took appropriate action. I understand the outrage over this in a matter principle for some but it's just pushing their own political agendas so it seems. I really think it can be resolved in the ecosystem of EvE, not stretching further than the MMO-niche media reporting on that.

The outrcry was good imo, it served a purpose of a valid debate within the community. Fascinating to see from an anthropology standpoint. Fascinating to see the mechanics of metagaming.

But EvE is far more extensive and substantial than the Alliance Panel. There is a wealth of sandbox to explore without getting involved in all that. That's how I approach it.
Memine Cadelanne
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-29 09:42:35 UTC
That alliance panel was an incredible sight. Half of the table was completely smashed and the most wasted of all, the dude with the wizo hat who was just rambling about stuff, was actually applauded when he made violent remarks about another player.

Every other mmo is full with wtfpwnlol dudes like this, but they never manage to be more than a sad clown. I would like to know that dudes like that are only a small minority in this game and ccp letting drunk people to step up on stage was only an accident. Because if you need to be drunk or high in order to play the game and be elected as leader, I better pass on it now.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#16 - 2012-03-29 11:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Otrebla Utrigas
Yero Entyre wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Well... the community response depends on where you ask something, how you ask it, and what the question is. Trial and New Citizen Q&A (along with most of the smaller subforums) tend to be pretty civilized places, while General Discussion is a continual mess.


I have assessed that carefully. Still my appraisal of the playerbase is that it's largely very mature and intelligent, props to that. Your reply here is an example of it. Hats off, sir.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

In general, try to limit self-pride to what you can back up with proof/actions. I sometimes feel like the rootin'est tootin'est frigate pilot around, but I try to not let that show too much since I am almost definitely going to be smacked down. Instead, try to go for courteousness, reasonableness and all that good stuff, and stay away from topics that lack it (e.g. the Mittani threads in General Discussion right now).


I'm 34 and have been playing PC games since the late 80's , been on the internet since '95, done MUD's , pen&paper, etc etc. so that's the kind of mindset I expect from a game but I am not oblivious to current internet culture.
I'm not much for egostroking or e-peen in general so I guess I shall learn by the ropes about in game posture. Over the course of the past few days I followed the Fanfest "aftermath" in GD. I remember the same kind of "high drama" with the Monocle. Not to involve myself in that but -again, from an outsider perspective- it's actually favoring EvE and CCP IMHO. Notoriety goes a long way in PR. And this game seems to live up to that over the years I've followed it from the sidelines. It's intriguing to be part of this even though I regard it as just a fraction of the gameplay experience.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Oh, and I should mention, the first rule of Eve: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Seriously. Even in the highest of hisec there's a chance you'll get killed by someone looking for cheap kicks. Every time you get into a ship, think "if it dies between my pushing the undock button and the next time I dock up... can I live with that?"


It is what makes it more alluring over the other MMOs where endgame exists like it is a dance competition and PvP is just a matter of gear and e-peen where, in contrast, EvE seems more like a game where anyone with a brain and some persistence can enjoy the full depth of the mechanics but with the thrill of omnipresent risk. That learning cliff actually is what attracted me to the game.

Hungry!





Hi there! I posted a similar post 2 weeks ago when I finally joined the game, maybe you can find some useful replies in there https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=81682

Concerning the PvP scenario, I have joined a corp few days ago and I'm already training with them to be the tackler/lure in PvP scenario, just with my 2 weeks worth of skills, a T1 frigate and a lot of guts.

Funny thing abut this game is every fleet need some Frigates for doing tasks only frigates can do, so you can feel that "you are doing your part" even if you don't add a wholeass of dps in a Raven or a Hurricane.

Just find a nice and warm corp. Playing EVE in a Fleet increase the fun exponentially.

Fly safe!
Yero Entyre
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-29 11:51:18 UTC
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:

Hi there! I posted a similar post 2 weeks ago when I finally joined the game, maybe you can find some useful replies in there https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=81682

Concerning the PvP scenario, I have joined a corp few days ago and I'm already training with them to be the tackler/lure in PvP scenario, just with my 2 weeks worth of skills, a T1 frigate and a lot of guts.

Funny thing abut this game is every fleet need some Frigates for doing tasks only frigates can do, so you can feel that "you are doing your part" even if you don't add a wholeass of dps in a Raven or a Hurricane.

Just find a nice and warm corp. Playing EVE in a Fleet increase the fun exponentially.

Fly safe!


Thank you Otrebla, your thread has a lot of valuable info for a rookie like myself. I finished my trial last night and subbed today Cool

I'll look into corps as soon as I finish my Agent missions (on the last - adv. military now) and possibly after doing the Sisters of Eve.

Have fun!
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#18 - 2012-03-30 13:44:18 UTC
Question 2:

If you plan on scanning down and running sites in low sec or below make sure your flying something that can fit a Cov Ops cloak.

Question 3:

Planetary interaction goods are used to: Make nanite paste, make drug reactions(water), create Pos fuel blocks, manufacture starbase structures, make tech II goods.

before you choose to build anything on a planet. Do your homework first. Look at the market and check prices and movement.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-03-30 13:52:38 UTC
Jouron wrote:
Question 2:

If you plan on scanning down and running sites in low sec or below make sure your flying something that can fit a Cov Ops cloak.

A cloak is good, but you don't necessarily need a covops one. A T1 scanning frigate with a T2 cloak and a microwarpdrive is damn hard to catch. See the Cloak/MWD trick.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-31 05:09:07 UTC
Hmm...watch out, Petrus...I predict that in about a year this Yero dude might be able to give you a run for your money Big smile ...and in about two weeks he'll probably be able to take me out... :/
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