Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a pretty serious issue I keep running into where far more experienced players just keep stomping on newer ones.

Idiotic pirates are seriously getting irritating for running my noob corp.

There needs to be some kind of protection to keep more experienced players messing with newer ones.

There should be 1 month of protection from being attacked by other players from the point a character is created. Especially for new players. They can break this one month by attacking another player themselves.

Or just something.

I'll leave it for you guys at CCP to figure out, but the current system rewards experienced players attacking much newer ones way to much.

not it isnt, and its obvious that it werent ever meant to be "fair".
on the other hand there is NO area or whatsoever a newbie could resort to, wich is the main problem imo.


not true, theres TONS of griefers out there who search for this specific type of corp to gank.
and not even concord will help you, since the empire-war fee is a blatant insult due to its price so low that its not even worth to mention.

eve is prolly the most newb unfriendly game out there, and ccp wont do crap about it since every upcoming thread regarding this issue is taken over by wannabe-pirates who enjoy the actual state and the fact that they can whoop as many folx not able to defend themself as they want, and flame away within minutes after the thread appeared.

just keep track of this thread and youll see what i mean... -.-

noob-protection is a concept unkown to ccp, and not even the fact that 6 out of 6 rl-pals of mine who started eve gave up on it again in the past 12 months will help to change this.

The problem is that 30 days of protection is completely meaningless, arbitrary, and exploitable and it doesn't really help the new players in question.

First off, there's the fact that Eve is a harsh and cruel universe. That is one of the draws and why many of us play it. It isn't a fenced off little sandbox with an adult standing over you watching out for you, Eve drops you in the middle of the desert with two paperclips and two feet of rope and says have fun. There's tons of sand to play in, but it's a harsh environment (especially for newer players).

The problem with x days of protection is that it doesn't prepare you for Eve and presents you with a false impression of Eve while it gives the older and more experienced players an advantage (want to haul stuff across Eve completely safely? Simply make a new char on your alt account and train it for Indys).

30 days is both a completely arbitrary amount of time and would cause people to say "but I want to be safe for two months" and then 4 months, and then 6 months, and then a year, and then "I don't want anyone to be able to attack me unless I say it's ok". This would be the death of Eve as we know it.

From reading your post, I can see two things your corp did wrong. First off, making a newb corp and expecting it to be safe. Corps aren't meaningless like guilds are in other games and such, they do have an impact on your gameplay. Second, you gave your opponents easy targets. Easy targets encourage wardeccers to keep attacking over and over. In the years I've been playing, my corp has been attacked many times but it never lasts long. For the simple reason that we don't give them targets, so they quickly grow bored and give up (this doesn't mean never undocking, it just means playing smart and avoiding the deccers).

What Eve needs for new players isn't an arbitrary period of protection, newbies need to get in touch with vets and ask them for advice (and actually listen to advice, I know many people who die because they assume they know better than the vets and ignore advice). The learning curve of Eve can't be overcome by a temporary safety period, this would actually make it worse because newbies would get used to the protection when it's not representative of Eve. The only way to overcome the learning curve in Eve is to either do the research yourself to learn the game or find someone who does know it and ask them tons of questions and soak in all the advice you can.

they already ahve noob ssytems, the systems are fairly well known, and i personally know 3 australian griefers that used to eb in a corp with me (mining corp, they were good guys, but preferred to eb dicks when they pvp'ed) that got banned repeatedly for simply can-flipping in thsoe systems.

so no, we have noob systems, and making them "unaggressable areas" woudl eb HIGHLY EXPLOITABLE because they would ebcome the new trade hubs, as every trader would sell their because he "couldnt be aggressed".

and as someone else pointed out, invincible hauling alts are not a very pleasing idea to think about.

It has the EXACT same issues that 30d of invulnerability has (and then some), in that it:
a. Doesn't prepare people for the harsh world that Eve is.
b. Is an arbitrary time limit and has no meaning.
c. Would end with people asking for a purely PvE server (very bad idea that has been discussed many times).
d. Eve is marketed as a single server, that's part of CCP's marketing points, I don't see that changing.

Okay, so that doesn't work either.

But you need to get the fact that there never will be a perfect solution. But that doesn't mean we can just leave it how it is.

It is an unbalanced system that needs to be fixed.

No, there can never be a perfect solution, which is something that you need to realize. We have already acknowledged that there Eve is tough for newbies, but we also realize that there is no way to make Eve more idiot-proof for newbies without much more severe consequences to the game as a whole.

However, what has happened is that you have misunderstood the core issue here. The core issue isn't newbies needing protection, it's newbies needing instruction. The solution isn't to dumb it down for newbies, it's to connect them with vets who they can ask questions of and learn from. Newbies can't learn from being protected, that just weakens them. They can only learn Eve by either researching it on their own or talking to a more experienced players and learning from them.

Here is the real solution to your problem . . .

1) Move to low sec.

2) Learn to survive (yes you will get popped and podded). Learn from every mistake.

3) 2 weeks later, move to Null sec, move back to high sec, or just stay in low sec.
You will prepared for them all.


-FM

Actually, they've already done this (and thrown in chat for good measure). And they've put the darn things everywhere too. They're called "stations". From the complete and total security of a station you can go about listening to help channels and even asking questions to your heart's content.

The new and updated mission guide:

1) Warp in, engage the overseer.

2) Overseer pops cyno.

3) Get titan bridged by 300 NPC T3s.