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Raven vs Rokh DPS
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Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#1 - 2012-03-30 07:19:55 UTC
Right so ive been told that a Raven is supposed to have more DPS than a Rokh. Right now my Rokh has 347 DPS with 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons x8. However if i look at my Raven, even with tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers it only has 267 DPS!

I can just use the Tech 2 variant of the Cruise Missile Launchers so i can increase the DPS a little bit but i dont think itll get even with my Rokh DPS.

So my Raven is using 3 Ballistic Control System II`s, and 6 Tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers.

My Rokh on the other hand is using 8 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons, and 3 Mag stabs.

Heck according to the guy that i got the fit from, from the Battleclinic website, i should have 600+DPS!!

So does anyone have an idea, apart from my skills, how this is possible?
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-30 07:23:44 UTC
When using EFT use the drop down menu to Max Skills, not no skills and it will change for you

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okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-30 07:24:46 UTC
My incursion rokh with blasters has over 1100 dps. Just wanted to say that...

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Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#4 - 2012-03-30 07:25:38 UTC
Just checked EFT... if i put tech 2 ammo in the missile launchers i get 574ish DPS... which will be more than my Rokh but still not the 600+DPS it should have.
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-30 07:26:05 UTC
What program are you using to get your DPS info? 347 DPS on a BS is......well.....laughable. For example, I can setup a Vexor to get 464 DPS. So maybe you just want to fly that? lol
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#6 - 2012-03-30 07:27:34 UTC
EFT... and i set it up so it uses my skills so i have a good idea on how much DPS i should get.
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-30 07:29:08 UTC
@asbuster2: what says the ingame fitting screen?

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BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-30 07:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: BeforetheStorm90
Asbuster2 wrote:
EFT... and i set it up so it uses my skills so i have a good idea on how much DPS i should get.


You said besides skills........ but it could very well be just that. If you are copying a fit. And the fit design advertises for more DPS then the only other factor is your skills.

EDIT: Also, are you counting your drone DPS?
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#9 - 2012-03-30 07:32:08 UTC
Well i cant check ingame atm as im at school now... but i know my Rokh has low 300s DPS which EFT shows is about right... and my Raven with the tech 1 meta 4 launchers has high 200s DPS...
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#10 - 2012-03-30 07:33:47 UTC
@Beforethestorm I am aware of that but according to EFT even with all level 5 skills ill still only get 575 DPS... Drones are not included in both cases
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-30 07:39:34 UTC
Asbuster2 wrote:
@Beforethestorm I am aware of that but according to EFT even with all level 5 skills ill still only get 575 DPS... Drones are not included in both cases


That may be your problem right there. Drone DPS is very important. Unless the battleclinic poster specifically mentions that they are not including drone DPS, it is most likely that any DPS numbers they give will be including drones. A flight of hobs would certainly put you over 600 DPS. Plus, you can always use the 2 ogre II, 2 hammer II, 1 hob II approach inorder to fill up a 75 drone bandwith. That will provide you with a significant increase in DPS.
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#12 - 2012-03-30 07:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Asbuster2
He did state, and i just checked, that its 610 DPS without drones and 769DP with drones... heres the link to the fit im trying to make work

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/55911-Raven-L4-Perma-Tank.html

He did mention he assumes all level 5 skills but even then i dont get 610DPS
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-30 07:53:19 UTC
Asbuster2 wrote:
He did state, and i just checked, that its 610 DPS without drones and 769DP with drones... heres the link to the fit im trying to make work

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/55911-Raven-L4-Perma-Tank.html

He did mention he assumes all level 5 skills but even then i dont get 610DPS



I'll admit that I don't fly Caldari and have never really cared for their ship. So my knowledge is not good in terms of specific fits. However, I do know that fitting more than 3 of any DPS boosting mods is rather pointless. Fitting 4 as that guy did provides a very negligible amount of DPS increase that can be better served by other mods. Perhaps, his program was not taking into account the stacking penalty correctly?
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#14 - 2012-03-30 07:54:19 UTC
Just figured it out... well kind of... i used 3 Ballistic Control System II.. he has 4 of em. But EFT shows me Raven doesnt have enough CPU to fit that 4th BCS and i replaced that with a CPU Upgrade II.

So i guess it IS my skills that i need to train up. Now just need to figure out which ones XD
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-30 08:34:15 UTC
Just to clarify, when you say DPS do you mean Damage Per Second or Damage Per Shot? Because there's a difference.
Also, check to make sure you've not got EFT set to subtract target resists from that. Not sure if it actually can factor in resists, but it's worth a check.

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BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-30 08:43:16 UTC
Jace Errata wrote:
Just to clarify, when you say DPS do you mean Damage Per Second or Damage Per Shot? Because there's a difference.
Also, check to make sure you've not got EFT set to subtract target resists from that. Not sure if it actually can factor in resists, but it's worth a check.


Damage per shot is always referred to as Volley. Furthermore, if his volly was only 300 or so then he would be having far worse problems then anyone has any right to have. lol

Also, EFT shouldn't need to deal with any target resists at all. The only number being dealt with is pure DPS.
Asbuster2
The Fighting 13th
#17 - 2012-03-30 08:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Asbuster2
No EFT does and cannot subtract target resists as far as i can see.

After some re-checking if EFT got my right skills, i found out that it didnt. So after updating my skills on that, i now see that my Raven with the tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers will have 412 DPS.

Jace, Damage Per Second.

Total volley damage is 3858 so its respectable :)
DeltaW7
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#18 - 2012-03-30 13:29:31 UTC
The difference is, he is using T2 missiles, with that fit (all lvl 5 skills) and using T2 fury missiles you get 611 dps (without drones)
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-30 13:38:06 UTC
Asbuster2 wrote:
Right so ive been told that a Raven is supposed to have more DPS than a Rokh. Right now my Rokh has 347 DPS with 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons x8. However if i look at my Raven, even with tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers it only has 267 DPS!



Well there's your problem.

A Raven does indeed have more DPS than a Rokh... IF it's a torp Raven versus a blaster Rokh. A torp raven is one of the few ships which can make it over the 1,000DPS bar without having to splash for faction mods.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-30 13:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Don't forget that using Cruise launchers gets you that smexy +100km fuckshitup zone.



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