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Story help. Actual population of systems.

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Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-17 07:06:37 UTC
You will also have to consider that most normal citizens can live way past the 150 years mark due to technology and gene therapy.

Densley populated areas will be the main trade hubs I would say. Then get smaller as it filters out towards the edge of their relative Empires.

When you compare the capsualeer population within Eve we only have about 300k subscriptions so I would say thats the amount of capsuleers in the New Eden star cluster. Yes there will be NPC ones but I would say these will be small in number as it is a rare few that can actualy be trained/made into a Capsuleer.

Compare this figure of 300k with the rest of New Eden and it is tiny very tiny.


At one point I did have a world clock link but the site was taken down. It showed how many births and deaths there was per second each day. Was prety cool if a little geeky. But it could of helped solve this very easily.
Tsijha Zirud
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-03-10 19:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsijha Zirud
CCP Abraxas wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Several trillion for both the Amarr Empire and the Gallente Federation. A couple/few trillion for Minmatar Republic (but more Minmatar outside of Republic than in it)

Hundreds of billion for Caldari.

Highsec worlds with city lights on it could be in the billions (fly to the dark side or try to view it in planetview). Worlds without city lights probably in the millions (couple million widely dispersed on lowsec worlds)

Space stations in the hundreds of thousands. Seyllin I (former barren world) had a subterranean population of 500 million, however.

Anyone feel like giving me cites for these? We may do something with population numbers as part of the Immersion Project.



If there is immersion is there some eve conworlding going on that is going to move and change places of planets?

Reason is I'm still looking for a suitable temperate homeworld in the adishapur fiefdome that doesn't require planetary ground gravimetric engineering, daylight replacement , breathing support, or genetical manipulation to have an half way enjoyable live (halfway as in living slightly better than first colonistst of australia) - except the avability is exactly what divides the holder and high class citizen of the empire from low class citizens and the masses of slaves - and that proofs to be not so easy.
Mordein Raize
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-26 00:48:33 UTC
ZZZZZZZ, get titans to do orbital bombardment, level every inhabited planet and do allot of repopulating under our control. LETS DO IT! :D
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-26 23:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density:

I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to the wiki there are:

1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
714 in lowsec (10.3%)
3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)

focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...

Amarr Empire: 484 systems
Caldari State: 503
Gallente Federation: 507
Minmatar Republic: 291

Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:

Amarr: 54
Caldari: 56
Gallente: 56
Minmatar: 32



Include a generous margin of error, obviously.


Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion...


3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet.

If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world.

Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion.



And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.


All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-26 23:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density:

I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet there are:


  1. 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
  2. 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
  3. 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
  4. 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)


focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...


  1. Amarr Empire: 484 systems
  2. Caldari State: 503
  3. Gallente Federation: 507
  4. Minmatar Republic: 291


Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:


  1. Amarr: 54
  2. Caldari: 56
  3. Gallente: 56
  4. Minmatar: 32



Include a generous margin of error, obviously.


Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion...


3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet.

If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world.

Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion.



And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.


All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive
#26 - 2012-03-29 22:11:24 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.


All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.


Hmm. Add to that populated orbitals, nomad thukkar-style fleets and possible bio-dome style things on barren/non-normally inhabitable worlds?

Still a very big number to find :/

Senior Representative Light Speed Interactive http://www.lightspeedinteractive.net
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#27 - 2012-03-30 05:12:38 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density:

I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet there are:


  1. 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
  2. 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
  3. 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
  4. 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)


focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...


  1. Amarr Empire: 484 systems
  2. Caldari State: 503
  3. Gallente Federation: 507
  4. Minmatar Republic: 291


Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:


  1. Amarr: 54
  2. Caldari: 56
  3. Gallente: 56
  4. Minmatar: 32



Include a generous margin of error, obviously.


Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion...


3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet.

If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world.

Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion.



And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.


All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.


I think we can assume Barren worlds are capable of supporting sizable populations (and some are on their way to being terraformed).

In the case of the Federation and State there may be vast populations in space, especially for the State.

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Rhealee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-03-31 16:50:25 UTC
So where does the pirate nations come in on this? They get killed a lot, the sansha were forced to abduct slaves. I fly with angel cartel a lot and i would say they would be slightly undermanned.

Curious if in each pirate nations home region, if they have their own races, and the different ways they go about maintaining population.
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#29 - 2012-04-03 04:07:49 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density:

I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet there are:


  1. 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
  2. 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
  3. 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
  4. 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)


focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...


  1. Amarr Empire: 484 systems
  2. Caldari State: 503
  3. Gallente Federation: 507
  4. Minmatar Republic: 291


Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:


  1. Amarr: 54
  2. Caldari: 56
  3. Gallente: 56
  4. Minmatar: 32



Include a generous margin of error, obviously.


Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion...


3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet.

If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world.

Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion.



And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.


All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.


You have the wrong number of systems.....

Amarr=702
Ammatar Mandate=118
Caldari=326
CONCORD=8
Gallente=388
InterBus=1
Khanid Kingdom=84
Minmatar=280
____________
1907... you just count 1785

You have "Station System Count" and not "Sovereignty System Count" from the datadumb.

So follow your Amarr example with 11.15%....

Amarr=72

Let see like you for 3 Trillion divided by 72... it is than 41,666,666,666....

let say if count the same number of Barran and Moons as temperate worlds... so 144 Total... etc... than you come to 20,833,333,333.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-03 13:21:34 UTC
Publius Valerius wrote:
let say if count the same number of Barran and Moons as temperate worlds...


Let's say we don't, on account of how there's no city lights all over the night side of a barren world or a moon.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#31 - 2012-04-03 13:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
Stitcher wrote:
Publius Valerius wrote:
let say if count the same number of Barran and Moons as temperate worlds...


Let's say we don't, on account of how there's no city lights all over the night side of a barren world or a moon.


Sorry It was late ast night ... and I was sleepy.... so I havent cheak your mathematical way.

Lets go tru the numbers.

So we have in High Sec... a total Number of Systems=1907 (see my post)... the Amarr Empire has 702 sytems... that is 36,8111746 percent.

Do we have now 36,8111746 percent of all High Sec systems are Amarr Empire systems....

Form the EVElopedia we for Planet (Temperate) a count of 1115 Planets. Now we can say that 36,8111746 percent of this planets in Amarr Space. That makes a total of 410,450970 planets.... with rounded numbers: 410,44459679.... So we have for Amarr space a total number of 410 Temperate planets.

So now back to the 3 trillion 3 000 000 000 000/410=7 317 073 170.

We have just 7 317 073 170 peoples per temperate planet.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-03 14:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
all of this would be a LOT easier if we could just have an accurate count of how many planets of each type exist under each sovereignty.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#33 - 2012-04-03 14:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
Stitcher wrote:
all of this would be a LOT easier if we could just have an accurate count of how many planets of each type exist under each sovereignty.


Ehm No.. youi had just the wrong numbers.... and an error:

"3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet. " it is wrong it would be:


3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per system. But like I said that would be also wrong because of the wrong numbers.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-03 14:33:20 UTC
please see my last post.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#35 - 2012-04-03 14:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
Stitcher wrote:
please see my last post.


Nevermind I had an error too...

Totally forgot the Low sec planets...

1115 + 714 = 1829

Amarr has than 673 temperate planets.

Which makes by given 3 trillion = 4 457 652 303

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-04-03 15:11:17 UTC
Publius Valerius wrote:
Amarr has than 673 temperate planets.



There are only 702 Amarrian systems total between highsec and lowsec.

if there are 674 amarrian temperate planets, that would mean that 96% of all Amarrian systems contain one temperate (ignoring for a second that a few of them have two or more)

this is patently not the case.

So. in order for this to be easy and simple, what we actually need are the database figures to say "there are X many temperate worlds in Amarr Empire systems, Y many in Gallente Federation systems..." and so on.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#37 - 2012-04-03 16:15:30 UTC
I think their was a chart in one quarterly economic newsletter about the distribution of planet-types over regions. For the common planet-types, they were more or less all the same in the regions. And Amarr Empire has Regions, and this regions like I said: hasnt any exceptional numbers of planets. So you can guess that my number arent so far most likely.

About:
"All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic."

I think "several trillion" figure isnt so stupid as you think. By the way can you explain what you have try to calculate?

(1) Population per system or (2) Population per system are likely to have a temperate world in them?

About:
"There are only 702 Amarrian systems total between highsec and lowsec.

if there are 674 amarrian temperate planets, that would mean that 96% of all Amarrian systems contain one temperate (ignoring for a second that a few of them have two or more)

this is patently not the case."


That is the case, even when you dont like it.... I know I know... but Publius It feels like I was right :P https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=507837#post507837
See even the total numbers are 1829 temperate planets by 1907 empire systems; that makes 95,9 percent..... I know, I know...listen Publius but the real number would be nicer... of course you are right, but my point is just that: "Several trillion" isnt stupid.

And before you start your next post... plz answer the question what you have calculate.

Fly Save
- PV.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-03 22:47:10 UTC
Publius Valerius wrote:
And before you start your next post... plz answer the question what you have calculate.


I would if I understood the question. I don't want to rip on you if English isn't your first language or anything, so I'll just let it stand at saying that sentence doesn't make much sense.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Azureite
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-04-03 23:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Azureite
6 Trillion people / 1,000 high sec temperate planets = 6 billion people per high sec planet.

Easy to accomplish
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#40 - 2012-04-03 23:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Publius Valerius
Stitcher wrote:
Publius Valerius wrote:
And before you start your next post... plz answer the question what you have calculate.


I would if I understood the question. I don't want to rip on you if English isn't your first language or anything, so I'll just let it stand at saying that sentence doesn't make much sense.



No problem..... (and yes it isnt my first language). But you can hate on it or on me P. It is the internet and we are free P.... And most of all: you are not be the first english speaker which pointed that out... (and I have no problem with it, it helps me actually)p.



My question was and is: What is your goal with this post?



What you have calculate?..... are be more precisely what is the unit what you have calculate?

I ask because, I dont think it is "population per temperate planet".

Lets see, you had:

"Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15 percent), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:



  1. Amarr: 54
  2. Caldari: 56
  3. Gallente: 56
  4. Minmatar: 32 "


For what was this step?..... I would say you have in this step the unit: "Systems of a Faction" per "average incidence of temperate worlds amoungs all planets"... that would be your unit in this step.

and than later how you get to:

"3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet."


And here you have "people per planet.", but how you get there?

You have 3 trillion = peoples
than you have 54 = "Systems of a Faction" per "average incidence of temperate worlds amoungs all planets"
so you have in your last stap not "people per planet." You have

People per ("Systems of a Faction" per "average incidence of temperate worlds amoungs all planets")

That was my question....

and again sorry for my bad english. And my point was and is that: "Several trillion" isnt stupid.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer
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