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The CSM no longer represents me.

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Ted McManfist
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2012-03-29 23:04:00 UTC
zzzczyzoznzoz wrote:
nuf said so all u goons and alts stop ya bitchin he qiut n didnt get sacked



This is funny because you're from the School for Applied Knowledge.

Perhaps you should apply some to your posting?
Ai Shun
#82 - 2012-03-29 23:08:01 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.



Your math is suspect little Bee, as well as your deposed Queen.....Lol

Based on claimed subscriptions, that's about 2.5% of the population in EVE, so I ask again, did you really believe a bunch of alts would make you kids all powerful?


You might want to re-check your maths. The Mittani got 17% of the votes. It is a small slice of the population, true. But if you read what SmilingVagrant said it was "17% of the active voters" Active implies to me they voted and did not stay inactive.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-03-29 23:24:56 UTC
The math is technically wrong. I rounded.
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-03-29 23:26:51 UTC
adopt wrote:
adam smash wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Hey maybe those 17% should quit in protest LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol

I LIKE THAT PLAN.


Wrong. They are going to come to hi sec to play with all the little people who they feel insulted by. Glad I don't live in hi sec, personally.


If goons made hi sec unplayable CCP would end up buffing concord or something lol...

They would do nothing but HELP the carebears... in the end...

That being said... what they gona do gank hulks/macks again? lulz.


What about a system wide hellcamp? Say for instance, Jita? Image what that would do to EVE's already crippled economy.

nothing ?


Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-03-29 23:35:26 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:

nothing ?




It was an idiot question: You can't hellcamp low or highsec. I don't know why he brought it up.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-03-29 23:42:52 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.


Ever heard of empeachment.....


To be brutally honest he´s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?





already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....

Ai Shun
#87 - 2012-03-29 23:46:57 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Ever heard of empeachment.....


You may want to read the rest of the thread where different approaches to this situation is discussed. Not everything revolves around the concepts the United States of America uses.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#88 - 2012-03-29 23:47:00 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.



Your math is suspect little Bee, as well as your deposed Queen.....Lol

Based on claimed subscriptions, that's about 2.5% of the population in EVE, so I ask again, did you really believe a bunch of alts would make you kids all powerful?


You might want to re-check your maths. The Mittani got 17% of the votes. It is a small slice of the population, true. But if you read what SmilingVagrant said it was "17% of the active voters" Active implies to me they voted and did not stay inactive.

Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that.
And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.


I wonder how many he would have gotten if CCP instituted a one year minimum age for voters?

How about it CCP, can't really fix it now, all those Alts have already been bought.
What you should have done is required all subscriptions that wanted to vote be older than 1 year, and the account active during the entire year preceeding it.
At least then we might have had a possibility of a non-rigged election that couldn't be easily bought with Moongoo.



Still wondering what happened to the Goons Forum Champions? The really loud ones seem to have all disappeared at the same time? Something up? Cool

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Darronis Olachenko
#89 - 2012-03-29 23:47:02 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:


Ever heard of empeachment.....


To be brutally honest he´s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?


They want a recount to stick one of their own into the top 7.
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
#90 - 2012-03-29 23:49:14 UTC
mittens only received a total of the 3% of the active accounts in eve online. That being said i dont think many will care if he is gone or not.

BUT there are other candidates the votes should be re-done to other candidates
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-03-29 23:50:42 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
so why all the drama?


It's honestly kind of it's own goal to be brutally honest.
Ai Shun
#92 - 2012-03-29 23:52:59 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that.
And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.


Not mine, sorry to disappoint. I am not a Goon and have no desire to join SomethingAwful to become one. You are missing the key point - people are talking about the VOTERS. Not those that chose not to vote. That is where the 17% number comes from.

However, if you look at it over characters instead of voters then yes, the percentage is much lower although none of us know the actual subscription numbers. But they do not care enough to vote so what happens in the vote does not impact them. Ignore them.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-03-29 23:54:15 UTC
Darronis Olachenko wrote:
Brainless Bimbo wrote:


Ever heard of empeachment.....


To be brutally honest he´s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?


They want a recount to stick one of their own into the top 7.



So Gore won....


man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?




already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-03-29 23:57:07 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Still wondering what happened to the Goons Forum Champions? The really loud ones seem to have all disappeared at the same time? Something up? Cool



Most of us are busy warring. I'm not in a position to play Eve at the moment so I continue to ~post~.
Ai Shun
#95 - 2012-03-29 23:59:31 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
So Gore won....


man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?


Attributing motive like that makes me think your name is either appropriate or you are just trolling. I am not a Goon. I did not vote for The Mittani or any Goon. I voted for T'Amber on all my accounts bar one, because I liked his policies. And one went to Issler for promising to focus on conflict in EVE Online.

However, I believe with the removal of a member of House (CSM) by CONCORD the current CSM is invalid and does not have a mandate anymore as 17% of the voters have lost their candidate. I would personally like to see a re-run and would vote for the same candidates as before; but I do not like to see a scenario where such a large percentage of the vote is wasted.

That seems fundamentally unfair to me, irrespective of who the candidate is. I do not hold a grudge against the Goons nor will I discriminate against them simply for who they are and what they represent.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-03-30 00:04:10 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that.
And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.


Not mine, sorry to disappoint. I am not a Goon and have no desire to join SomethingAwful to become one. You are missing the key point - people are talking about the VOTERS. Not those that chose not to vote. That is where the 17% number comes from.

However, if you look at it over characters instead of voters then yes, the percentage is much lower although none of us know the actual subscription numbers. But they do not care enough to vote so what happens in the vote does not impact them. Ignore them.


Yeah the thoughts of non voters is immaterial. It doesn't matter what they want. And they have no interest in how the game is run beyond what is directly in front of their noses at any rate.

He's using idiot fuzzy math and logic to attempt to skew a result to sound less favorable to his side of the argument. It's not a matter of that huge percentage of players not caring about The Mittani. That huge percentage didn't care about the CSM as a whole. Thus their views on what is going on in the CSM right now is irrelevant.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-03-30 00:06:34 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
So Gore won....


man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?


Attributing motive like that makes me think your name is either appropriate or you are just trolling. I am not a Goon. I did not vote for The Mittani or any Goon. I voted for T'Amber on all my accounts bar one, because I liked his policies. And one went to Issler for promising to focus on conflict in EVE Online.

However, I believe with the removal of a member of House (CSM) by CONCORD the current CSM is invalid and does not have a mandate anymore as 17% of the voters have lost their candidate. I would personally like to see a re-run and would vote for the same candidates as before; but I do not like to see a scenario where such a large percentage of the vote is wasted.

That seems fundamentally unfair to me, irrespective of who the candidate is. I do not hold a grudge against the Goons nor will I discriminate against them simply for who they are and what they represent.


Attributing motive? what post are you reading? , its a comment on thought processes not motivation and an observation of the goons displaying what they like to provoke in others which they have amply demonstrated in the past many times over.

TOS read it, he´s kucky to still have an account, you cant rewrite the past just live with it, Mittens removed himself by his actions, its quite simple, now stop trying to troll me and the community.

:hugs:

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-03-30 00:07:17 UTC
adam smash wrote:
Hey maybe those 17% should quit in protest LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol

I LIKE THAT PLAN.


This is totally fkn Moses coming down from the mountain type wisdom.

.

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-03-30 00:15:11 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:

:hugs:


I hate people that pull this passive aggressive **** in forums. You could honestly ban The Mittani for life from eve and it wouldn't affect our alliance one bit. But this is neither here nor there. This thread isn't about whatever grudge you have with him. This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)

I'm not entirely sure that there is another Goon in the running, and if there is he likely isn't the kind of person that could garner the respect of 10,000.

Not saying we don't have people like that: Just none of them ran.
Ai Shun
#100 - 2012-03-30 00:34:23 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
:hugs:


I see you don't have a response to the substance of the post, beyond what your dislike of Goons allow you to see.

SmilingVagrant wrote:
I hate people that pull this passive aggressive **** in forums. You could honestly ban The Mittani for life from eve and it wouldn't affect our alliance one bit. But this is neither here nor there. This thread isn't about whatever grudge you have with him. This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)


That is well said. It is not about Goonswarm and people should not let their dislike of the Mittani or the Goons cloud their judgement on what has essentially become a tainted election. No disrespect to the current CSM; I do believe you will all get in again on the same merit you got in on before.

But I would like to put this whole mess behind us and move on with a CSM that has been elected by all the people that care enough about EVE and the direction it is going in to vote. Until that happens, I can't see the CSM as legitimate or representative of the people that vote. In no electoral system would you remove 17% of the voters and still see the governing body as being representative. It is just simply unfair - and people will see that if they remove their anti-Goon blinkers.

P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar P