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Regarding the CSM7 Chairmanship:

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Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#601 - 2012-03-29 13:05:01 UTC
Well all I can say to this now is thank you for doing the right thing.

I will confess I did doubt that you would go no further than an apology, which I have said was not enough to satisfy my own concerns. I only see you as Mittani in game where you are a self confessed troll who I do not trust one bit. And then on the Alliance panel where I saw someone I do not respect one bit, either.

So maybe you can see why people do not trust what you say because online you are like the boy who cried wolf too many times. And when that is the only face you show most people then I have no way of trusting you when you say you are not like this in real life, which I know I am sure most people are not anyway. I am hardly a cynic about human nature in general, just individual cases. But 'sure' is not enough when something like this happens and even if I were completely aware of your real character I think the situation itself called for actual consequences. And I do not agree that those should include a life time ban or other extremes called for by the excitable mob.

So, again, thank you for showing me another side of yourself, and for doing the right thing here.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works

Highauger's animated corpse
Jove Observation And Neutrality Negotiations Act
#602 - 2012-03-29 13:05:58 UTC
Darius III wrote:
This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.

-lalala stuff -

PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears.


Doesn't your obsession with themittani bother you? It bothers me, it's kinda romantic, I trust your
missus doesn't mind.

And what does your shrink say about the state of your mental impoverishment
that leads to your thinking that your only advancement comes through such transparently cheap shots.

Nobody voted for you bro. Now just nip off, pick up some viagra and it will work just like it used to work
without needing reference to better ...men?
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#603 - 2012-03-29 13:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pertuabo Enkidgan
Politics.....:(

Jita should be.....interesting in a month.
Ni'ark
Parnassius Corporation
#604 - 2012-03-29 13:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ni'ark
I am not a member of GS, nor I think I ever be, but Mittens(thou I didn't even vote for you), **** all those who keep throwing **** at you. You did awesome job as chairman and as most know alliance leader.

Everyone have **** ups from time to time, and you just have to "deal with it".

My big pros to you as a man, who could understand what is better for "serious spaceship business" and stepping over your pride.

You prolly wont even find this post but - grief, scam, spy, gank, metagame - keep doing all of the things, because whatever faceless pubbies will say, EVE wont be that sandbox we love it for without Goonswarm.







P.S: I know i'm terribad forum poster.
-First thread in ship and modules   -First whine thread in ship and modules -First locked thread in ship and modules and new eve-o forums.
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#605 - 2012-03-29 13:37:03 UTC
he said, she said
It's not that big a deal,
He's just throwing fire on the situation,
CCP should of monitored the event better.
He's not to blame.
It's just tradition
He apologized.
I'm going to tell my mom.
My dad can beat your dad up.
Boys will be boys.
Blah, Blah, Blah

But no one has mentioned what really happened.

AA
Alcohol and Arrogance
I submit the person to blame is the person that was unable to control these at a public event.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Naj Panora
Shadow Broker Fleet
#606 - 2012-03-29 13:38:40 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Though I have received many letters of support (my inbox is full of these, and for them I thank you) and the major bloggers have called for me to remain on as Chair, there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.

With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.

As the leader of Goonswarm I must be willing to make ruthless decisions and take actions that many players find objectionable - griefing, ganking, scamming, 'dishonorable' fleet tactics, espionage, metagaming, blowing up everyone who tries to mine Gallente Ice, sponsoring Hulkageddon, et cetera - whatever it takes to defend my people in this, the most exceedingly hostile galaxy to grace the internet. As Darius JOHNSON, the previous Goonswarm leader once said, "[Goonswarm] is not here to destroy /the/ game, but /your/ game.

Yet as Chairman of the CSM and Alexander Gianturco, I need to put a good face on CCP's experimental player democracy and keep my nose clean. Inevitably, these two roles conflict with one another; when Goonswarm does what it does in EVE, this reflects on the CSM as a whole, purely due to my position as both Chairman and alliance leader. If I abandon the brutalist tactics of an alliance leader in hopes of keeping the CSM's image pristine, I hamstring my people ingame and do a disservice to the line members who rely on me. In addition, the enemies of Goonswarm assault the CSM and CCP itself unfairly due to the in-game actions of our alliance.

After the successful restructuring of CCP, I am convinced that most of the hard work of the CSM is already done - CCP is now focusing on spaceships instead of avatars, and the success of CSM6 has led to a solid and competent crop of player representatives in CSM7 with a much greater turnout, demonstrating ever-more faith and trust from the playerbase in the concept of the CSM. This changes things for the CSM, as well as the Chairman title

During Goonswarm's highly successful Gallente Ice Interdiction there were calls for my resignation as Chairman; those calls increased when Goonswarm began to use false supercap sales as a method of closing the gap between us and our in-game enemies' supercap fleets. We are now planning an attempt to destroy Jita itself. All of these actions are entirely legitimate within the brutal world of EVE, yet, in the coming months, if I continue to hold the title of Chairman, CCP will be enduring one PR nightmare after another as Goonswarm's in-game actions unfairly reflect back upon the CSM as a whole through the Chairman title. It is increasingly important that the Chair be a ‘good citizen’ in the game itself - and I cannot be a good citizen and simultaneously lead my alliance of magnificent bastards.

With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair. As a member of the CSM without a title, what I do as the leader of Goonswarm will no longer unfairly reflect on the CSM as a whole - leaving me and my people free to do as we please without needing to consider corporate, political, or media ramifications every time we make a **** joke, offend someone, or sell a supercap made of vapor.

So basically you got the boot. Also a joke is one thing but what I seen on the webcast was way over the line. Personally I would love to see you charged with harassment and something else if anything happens to that guy.
jiantsquidz
Stripers Of New Eden
#607 - 2012-03-29 14:03:21 UTC
I usualy dont post my opinion, but i think mittani did earn my respect for how he is handling his mistake.
Everyone makes mistakes and shouldnt get burned down for it like DariusIII seems to want.

Anyways im not suprised that Darius had the least votes and by his posts he wont get much at all next election.

I wish Mitti gets re-elected for CSM8 wich i wouldnt be suprised at since he done shitloads for the eve community.

cut him some slack.
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#608 - 2012-03-29 14:11:57 UTC
jiantsquidz wrote:
I usualy dont post my opinion, but i think mittani did earn my respect for how he is handling his mistake.
Everyone makes mistakes and shouldnt get burned down for it like DariusIII seems to want.

Anyways im not suprised that Darius had the least votes and by his posts he wont get much at all next election.

I wish Mitti gets re-elected for CSM8 wich i wouldnt be suprised at since he done shitloads for the eve community.

cut him some slack.

keep dreaming
they cannot allow one account that has an action aganst it to run
and exclude others

but i think he will not run for csm 8 by himself
goons will find someone else who is equally bad for sure

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#609 - 2012-03-29 14:36:22 UTC
I love goon lol hail the mittani for ever

and even tho i understand both sides off this my guns are on mitt's side since your ingame actions and the tast off makeing eve better from the dev's side are 2 diffrent books

and anyway id rarther have a chairman who can **** the game so much he can find problems himselfm, than someone who is a a fluffy fairy

Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#610 - 2012-03-29 15:32:11 UTC
i love lamp

Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#611 - 2012-03-29 15:43:25 UTC
Cant make an omelet without breaking a few eggs!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them

Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#612 - 2012-03-29 16:13:47 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.


To me, this incompatibility is a fundamental problem for any member of the CSM, regardless of anything else that has transpired in your specific case in the last week. If a sitting CEO were to be elected President of the United States (or any public office), his/her ability to govern would be hamstrung by the threat of conflict of interest claims, legitimate or not. Similarly, any member of the CSM who is an alliance or corporate CEO will (and maybe should) be viewed through the skeptical prism of potential conflict of interest. Are they acting in the best interest of EVE as a whole, or for the best interest of a select minority? I am sure that this question has been beaten to death such that the horse is begging PETA for assistance - but it is still a valid concern.

Quote:
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the “greatest good for the greater player base."


Based on the above, the CSM should not have certain constituencies (read: their alliance/corp membership) bending their ears. If they do, their objectivity is compromised, no matter how much they try to separate their in-game character from their RL persona.
mama guru
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#613 - 2012-03-29 16:18:40 UTC
darius III is an idiot news at 11.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.

Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#614 - 2012-03-29 16:23:25 UTC
Bojan Z wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base.


I doubt I can fully respect a CSM in which you sit, Darius III



I said the same thing about Congress and Nancy Pelosi.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#615 - 2012-03-29 16:33:07 UTC
Kairos Antilles wrote:
Bojan Z wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base.


I doubt I can fully respect a CSM in which you sit, Darius III



I said the same thing about Congress and Nancy Pelosi.


Not emptyquoting
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#616 - 2012-03-29 16:47:32 UTC
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#617 - 2012-03-29 16:47:47 UTC
Uinuva Karma wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:

Mittens provided a grain of sand that those who hated him so much managed to clench into the ugliest diamond they could manage. I find it suspect how nonchalant you are about the idea that people used the game you are playing as disposable ammunition in their crusade against a person they hated well in advance of Fan Fest.


Little bee

I see you miss the voice of your mother
I see you miss the taste of ice-cream
And the sand of the beach between your little toes

Come press your face of sorrow between my ample hills of femininity
I soothe you, I hum a nameless tune for you
Open your well of desperation and weep
Empty your fountain of desperation, let it flow

Open your empty eyes and see your tears run
Down my ebony skin
All the way down to my thirsty paradise

Sun will dry your weary wings,
You will fly again, little bee.


Wait, when did they add a Vogon rage to this game?
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#618 - 2012-03-29 17:08:54 UTC
Kairos Antilles wrote:
Bojan Z wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base.


I doubt I can fully respect a CSM in which you sit, Darius III



I said the same thing about Congress and Nancy Pelosi.


you're so edgy
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#619 - 2012-03-29 17:28:56 UTC
i have 0 honour today
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#620 - 2012-03-29 17:29:08 UTC
~*:mentally unstable sniper:*~