EVE General Discussion

We know what CCP have done lately and frankly I think we all love them for it.
Screw the media, what matters is how we perceive CCP and we can spread the message if need be.

CCP - the playerbase got your back!
*except goons and co., they might be a bit pissy *

Well this for one will never happen because 'certain playstyles' involve them being the centre of the universe.

The law of unintended consquences still applies.

Your own alliance said for themselves multiple times they are griefers and thrive on making other peoples lives miserable and now you got exactly that. I can understand that you don't like it and I am very unhappy that CCP and the playerbase as a whole is painted in the same light. But the line between ingame and out of game was blurred for a long time. Personal information about players were revealed, even cybercrimes that can have severe repercussions in RL were commited under the pretense of meta-gaming.

I am not saying that the playerbase should start holding hands, but we should all look at ourselves and take a step back. It is one thing to shoot someone ingame, followed by some talk in local, but it is an entirely different these things are taken out of game. Even bringing things to the forum, especially if it involves personal information, or has the intent to force someone to quit, is too much. There is a line to be drawn somewhere and once this is done, we better not cross it.

Remember that is CCP themselves that instated Eve rules (or lack of those) therefor no need to blame them.

Controversy? -hell which better publicity can you have for a game than the one making nerd medias turn their head on you?

How much controversial is as speeching and arguments for all those high sec players using scams, grieffing, easy ganking and then come post tons crap about e-honour?

If there's something to feel bad about CCP is their player community immaturity and disrespect after all the effort put to bring awesome stuff like captain quarters that you, the sames now now feeling bad for CCP, just pïssed over publicly?

Gime a break.

Somewhat, yeah.

Sad that it's come down to so much bad mood after the high spirits we were all in.

No, to be honest this whole scandal is CCP completing their time in the wilderness of insanity and getting back to being the company that built eve. Last year they finally snapped out of the Incarna madness and put things on the right track with Crucible. This year they faced a situation where there was inevitably going to be a showdown about who ran Eve Online ... CCP iceland or Something Awful forums.

For a while now its been apparent that the game does have a bad reputation in the wider community press and community not just because its ruthless "core style" pvp, but because some of the community is regarded very badly for ooc griefing and harrassment. What this whole scandal has displayed is that its not the "Eve community" thats to blame for this stuff really, its the Something Awful community that has refused to integrate with the Eve community and keeps its own codes of conduct (or lack therein) above any notion of friendly camaraderie out of character with the rest of the game.

This came into pefect focus at fanfest where you saw a massive contrast between the warmth and friendships on display between most eve players and the Gianturco performance on the alliance panel as (then) CSM chair. I think its the first time its been so totally apparent that the problem with Eve's larger reputation amongst gamers is not "Eve" its the frat-boy SA crowd.

Now some companies would have been terrified of Alexander Gianturco and the 10,000 goons and failed to do what was right in his punishment. Some would have tried a horrible watered down mealy-mouthed compromise and tried to get away with doing little on the grounds of keeping the goon subs. But I think CCP demonstrated courage and independence and drew a line in the sand really that the huge majority of actual eve players will wholeheartedly applaud.

I pay my subs to be a member of the Eve Online universe and the gaming community of Eve online. Not to be part of Something Awful.

Not anymore.
Holding off on doing something until AFTER Mittens had posted his apology and details of the actions he was taking (after consultation with the CSM), before then taking the action that they did (with obviously zero consultation with the CSM as we see from their posts shortly afterwards by the current delegates) was an incredibly poor show. If you were going to throw the book at him do it from the start and involve the CSM, not wait until after he's posted what actions he's taking (with the support of the current CSM) before you cut them off at the knees...

The problem is that no one realized it was a shitstorm, or could even cause a shitstorm, until a some players had to run to the gaming media over it because they hate Goons / The Mittanni.

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