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Why GSF violates the EULA/TOS and should be removed from Eve

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Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos
#41 - 2012-03-29 07:12:12 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
CCP needs to seriously evaluate if they really want the harsh, cold, dangerous universe that has brought them so far. If they back down from their vision now, the game will not survive.



Really the game will be fine and continue to grow. You and Goons do not control the Real World. More people will see EVE and New ones will join. Plain and simple. AAAAHHHHH how we like to think we are gods.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-03-29 07:16:12 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".


I'm all for non-consensual pvp. Love it. Do it all the time in many forms.

How is setting out with the purpose of getting random players banned legitimate pvp? How does that help Eve?



Why don't you even exist on Battleclinic? am I missing something?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-03-29 07:30:23 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
The targeting of miners, haulers etc is not considered to actually be griefing by terms of the EULA. It does say targeting players. Things like hulkageddon and such are the targeting of ships.

I guess you fail at reading.

Have another look through the OP's quotes and tell us where it says that.


Don't have it any more. Personal experience. Story.

Noob, way back in the day, autopilot hauler full of lots of items. Got ganked, filed a petition, had a bit of a debate about it, GM explained it to me and I went aah, that is harsh. But after I thought, okay, I can outsmart these guys. Might get hit occasionally, but never a big gank loss again.

Proof often called for so...

2009.03.03 09:51:00

Victim: Markus Reese
Corp: Lorentzian Expeditionaries
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Bestower
System: Jita
Security: 0.9
Damage Taken: 2155

Involved parties:

Name: Liitar (laid the final blow)
Security: -10.00
Corp: Garoun Investment Bank
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Megathron
Weapon: Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
Damage Done: 2155

Destroyed items:


This is a whole pile of stuff, will just tie up the thread. I was autopilot, was about 150m, alot for a newer carebear. I will also add that I was for the most part highsec and pve all the way until fall of 2011, so I very well understand the PvE and industry position. I also made sure I understand the other side's position as well.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#44 - 2012-03-29 13:35:00 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".


I'm all for non-consensual pvp. Love it. Do it all the time in many forms.

How is setting out with the purpose of getting random players banned legitimate pvp? How does that help Eve?



Why don't you even exist on Battleclinic? am I missing something?


Confirming that you are missing something. Maybe a few things.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Starcaller Dredg
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-03-29 13:39:46 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?



This entire argument is tripe.

This is not WoW, griefing and goon activities are not the same thing. The goons give us a common enemy, and they're very good at that. I'm excited to see them attack Jita, I think it'll be a good, firm wake up call to all the carebears - including my corpmates.

I will rise To dreams of freedom And avow To return the treason that came under your reign
Lexmana
#46 - 2012-03-29 13:42:05 UTC
Stop harassing the goons or I'll **** myself.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-03-29 13:43:51 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
You all do realize that if you don't have "bad guys", then you won't have "good guys" either right?

You'll end up with a bunch of useless handshaking muppets. I personally have never been affiliated with the Goons, have fought them on occasion, and have seen their "antics" first hand. I didn't particularly care for their personality traits as a whole, and for awhile kind of even despised them...

But holy hell, some of you peace loving empire dwellers are advocating genocide of the Goons. And we are supposed to belive that YOU are the righteous ones?


This morally justifies you to incite people to commit suicide in real life?

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Doddy
Excidium.
#48 - 2012-03-29 13:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Princess Bride wrote:
I have no problem with a group that wants to crush their enemies in the game, rule the universe, or even just have fun being asshats. But these things seem secondary to the Goons primary goals in Eve. They are “an alliance based around (f’ing) with people…what some would call cyber-bullying” according to their own leader. The alliance was, “shaped for the infliction of misery”. One of their stated goals (hopes) is to get players “banned for life”. Their latest goal is to “ruin everything” by ruining Jita.

How does this help make Eve a better game?


You said it yourself "what some would call".

Most people playing eve do not actually think like you do any more than they think like goons. Your endless forum trolling is clearly aimed at making goons lives misery therefore you should be banned, no? Unlike goons ganking you don't make any in game profit from your actions either. And only you could take someone getting a player banned for life by themselves being killed irl seriously, what are you a psychopath?
JohnMonty
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2012-03-29 13:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: JohnMonty
blowing up ships is not ******* cyber bullying, would you nanny state lovers stop using the buzz words of the moment when it comes to anything that involves blowing up internet space ships.

Also trying to compare internet ships getting blowen up to

Quote:
David Knight of Burlington, Ontario
A web site about teenager David Knight of Burlington, Ontario had been active for several months before a classmate told him about it. "I went there and sure enough there's my photo on this web site saying 'Welcome to the web site that makes fun of Dave Knight' and just pages of hateful comments directed at me and everyone in my family." Whoever created the web site asked others to join in, posting lewd, sexual comments and smearing David's reputation. "I was accused of being a pedophile. I was accused of using the date **** drug on little boys," says David. Along with the web site, there were nasty e-mails too. "Here's an e-mail, 'You're gay, don't ever talk again, no one likes you, you're immature and dirty, go wash your face.'"

>> full story



Its just shameful

> "Defenders will also often enjoy the benefits of jump bridges,"

~CCP Fozzie, on behalf of Team Five 0 and the whole EVE Game Design team.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2012-03-29 13:55:19 UTC
JohnMonty wrote:
blowing up ships is not ******* cyber bullying, would you nanny state lovers stop using the buzz words of the moment when it comes to anything that involves blowing up internet space ships.


They don't have anything else to add.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#51 - 2012-03-29 13:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Doddy wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
I have no problem with a group that wants to crush their enemies in the game, rule the universe, or even just have fun being asshats. But these things seem secondary to the Goons primary goals in Eve. They are “an alliance based around (f’ing) with people…what some would call cyber-bullying” according to their own leader. The alliance was, “shaped for the infliction of misery”. One of their stated goals (hopes) is to get players “banned for life”. Their latest goal is to “ruin everything” by ruining Jita.

How does this help make Eve a better game?


You said it yourself "what some would call".



Actually no. "what some would call cyber-bullying" was what The Mittani said. Direct quote.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-03-29 13:58:05 UTC
this thread is overflowing with sweet juicy goon tears. delicious tears
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-03-29 14:00:06 UTC
JohnMonty wrote:
blowing up ships is not ******* cyber bullying, would you nanny state lovers stop using the buzz words of the moment when it comes to anything that involves blowing up internet space ships.


You're talking about somebody with a huge grudge against Goonswarm. See, now that they think that they got The Mittani banned (as opposed to this being CCP's own decision) they think that some more handwaving will lead to our alliance being disbanded. It's a fun sideshow but not one worth investing any energy towards participating.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#54 - 2012-03-29 14:01:44 UTC
JohnMonty wrote:
blowing up ships is not ******* cyber bullying, would you nanny state lovers stop using the buzz words of the moment when it comes to anything that involves blowing up internet space ships.

Also trying to compare internet ships getting blowen up to

Quote:
David Knight of Burlington, Ontario
A web site about teenager David Knight of Burlington, Ontario had been active for several months before a classmate told him about it. "I went there and sure enough there's my photo on this web site saying 'Welcome to the web site that makes fun of Dave Knight' and just pages of hateful comments directed at me and everyone in my family." Whoever created the web site asked others to join in, posting lewd, sexual comments and smearing David's reputation. "I was accused of being a pedophile. I was accused of using the date **** drug on little boys," says David. Along with the web site, there were nasty e-mails too. "Here's an e-mail, 'You're gay, don't ever talk again, no one likes you, you're immature and dirty, go wash your face.'"

>> full story



Its just shameful


When I used the term cyber-bullying I was quoting your dear leader. Maybe you should express your rage toward the author instead of the one quoting him?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-03-29 14:02:50 UTC
They're a large alliance in EveO. Do you honestly think anything will be done about it?

Guess again.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#56 - 2012-03-29 14:04:01 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
They're a large alliance in EveO. Do you honestly think anything will be done about it?

Guess again.


That sounds a lot like what they said about The Mittani.

I think they should enforce the TOS and not tolerate hate groups.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
JohnMonty
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2012-03-29 14:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: JohnMonty
Princess Bride wrote:
JohnMonty wrote:
blowing up ships is not ******* cyber bullying, would you nanny state lovers stop using the buzz words of the moment when it comes to anything that involves blowing up internet space ships.

Also trying to compare internet ships getting blowen up to

Quote:
David Knight of Burlington, Ontario
A web site about teenager David Knight of Burlington, Ontario had been active for several months before a classmate told him about it. "I went there and sure enough there's my photo on this web site saying 'Welcome to the web site that makes fun of Dave Knight' and just pages of hateful comments directed at me and everyone in my family." Whoever created the web site asked others to join in, posting lewd, sexual comments and smearing David's reputation. "I was accused of being a pedophile. I was accused of using the date **** drug on little boys," says David. Along with the web site, there were nasty e-mails too. "Here's an e-mail, 'You're gay, don't ever talk again, no one likes you, you're immature and dirty, go wash your face.'"

>> full story



Its just shameful


When I used the term cyber-bullying I was quoting your dear leader. Maybe you should express your rage toward the author instead of the one quoting him?


Well I was at the SOTG. He said
Princess Bride wrote:
"what some would call cyber-bullying" was what The Mittani said. Direct quote.


Also there is more then just you using the term when it comes to blowing up internet space ships atm.

> "Defenders will also often enjoy the benefits of jump bridges,"

~CCP Fozzie, on behalf of Team Five 0 and the whole EVE Game Design team.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-03-29 14:04:39 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
They're a large alliance in EveO. Do you honestly think anything will be done about it?

Guess again.


Cyber bullying is a serious issue that could halt EvE in litigation altogether.

Guess even moreso again. Especially when <3%

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Kilylol
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-03-29 14:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilylol
There is no e-honor in any of the CFC alliances. We should ban them all. Mainly TEST. They're really bad.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#60 - 2012-03-29 14:10:19 UTC
Kilylol wrote:
There is no e-honor in any of the CFC alliances. We should ban them all. Mainly TEST. They're really bad.


Not about e-honor, brosef. Maybe you should read the OP.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/