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Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
#1 - 2012-03-29 12:21:53 UTC
Not sure if this is teh best time to raise this, but 22 accounts being used simultaneously? Really? How many top end PCs would you need to do that? 5? More? Mine happily runs 2 but struggles with 3 instances, I woudl say my machine is somewhere maybe above mid spec by todays standards.And you seriously need some multitasking skills to do it too, and some serious isk to run them.

22 accounts, 22 plex a month being around 11 billion isk a month or £330 a month (or similar for different currencies)

Did I read right? 22 accounts? That was the right number yeah? It may need some looking into CCP, I mean OK the guy has some issues for sure, but that doesnt mean he gets a free botting pass does it?
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#2 - 2012-03-29 12:25:43 UTC
So long as there is no automation and a person has to be controlling the accounts/characters manually - no issues.

AK

This space for rent.
IsTheOpOver
#3 - 2012-03-29 12:26:15 UTC
3 mediocre PCs would do it or 2 strong ones.

There's no reason to think that he's botting.

syngery / isboxer are CCP approved although you certainly wouldn't need them to do ice mining.

Look them up if you need more information, and in the meantime open your mind just a little.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-29 12:30:33 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
Not sure if this is teh best time to raise this, but 22 accounts being used simultaneously? Really? How many top end PCs would you need to do that? 5? More? Mine happily runs 2 but struggles with 3 instances, I woudl say my machine is somewhere maybe above mid spec by todays standards.And you seriously need some multitasking skills to do it too, and some serious isk to run them.

22 accounts, 22 plex a month being around 11 billion isk a month or £330 a month (or similar for different currencies)

Did I read right? 22 accounts? That was the right number yeah? It may need some looking into CCP, I mean OK the guy has some issues for sure, but that doesnt mean he gets a free botting pass does it?




Met one a few months ago running 28 and another with 25, I also have a decent machine and have a lot of issues specially when it comes to fleet fights (big fleet fights) so most probably those guys are running at least 5 computers.
Tell me how it's humanly possible to run 5 machines at the same time without an external program to help you run all these accounts: impossible.

So boting is somehow aloud, the moment you have a low profile.
Leemi Sobo
#5 - 2012-03-29 12:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Leemi Sobo
as long as he manages his accounts all by himself and manually, ccp is totally fine with that.

but i too don't get the point of playing 22 chars in a MMO, i'm happy with one
(besides the obvios price check chars with massive 52k sp Bear )

i rather playing with 21 other people instead of playing an expensive singleplayer game Smile

edit:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Met one a few months ago running 28 and another with 25
i'm seriously starting to think there are really NO NEW players since back in 06 or maybe 07 just more and more alts of existing players Lol
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-29 12:36:41 UTC
IsTheOpOver wrote:
3 mediocre PCs would do it or 2 strong ones.

There's no reason to think that he's botting.

syngery / isboxer are CCP approved although you certainly wouldn't need them to do ice mining.

Look them up if you need more information, and in the meantime open your mind just a little.



I have to disagree, I run a phenom II X2 840, 16 gig of ram and a GTX 550to gfx card, not top spec I know, but certainly a decent rig. I could definitely NOT run 7 accounts on it (what you say as mediocre rig possible) let alone 11.

Its a bit crap to maybe call the guy out, but I have to say I didn think a similar thought when I read about that number of accounts. That is way WAAAY beyond enjoying some good old fashioned spaceship gaming...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
#7 - 2012-03-29 14:40:54 UTC
Im wondering if I can get special license to bot 22 ice mining accounts, what do I need to do? Plead insanity?
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#8 - 2012-03-29 14:47:00 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
IsTheOpOver wrote:
3 mediocre PCs would do it or 2 strong ones.

There's no reason to think that he's botting.

syngery / isboxer are CCP approved although you certainly wouldn't need them to do ice mining.

Look them up if you need more information, and in the meantime open your mind just a little.



I have to disagree, I run a phenom II X2 840, 16 gig of ram and a GTX 550to gfx card, not top spec I know, but certainly a decent rig. I could definitely NOT run 7 accounts on it (what you say as mediocre rig possible) let alone 11.

Its a bit crap to maybe call the guy out, but I have to say I didn think a similar thought when I read about that number of accounts. That is way WAAAY beyond enjoying some good old fashioned spaceship gaming...



Maybe you should stop using AMD based CPU's. I can run 5 accounts with no issues on an e7500 with 8 gigs and an hd 6800 and that's seriously dated. (granted I"m not running @ high graphic settings) 22 accounts could easily be done on a couple decent boxes with multiple monitors using isboxer, which is not a TOS violation.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#9 - 2012-03-29 14:50:25 UTC
From what I understand, that guy's rig could probably best be compared to the bridge of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-29 14:50:35 UTC
Minabunny wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
IsTheOpOver wrote:
3 mediocre PCs would do it or 2 strong ones.

There's no reason to think that he's botting.

syngery / isboxer are CCP approved although you certainly wouldn't need them to do ice mining.

Look them up if you need more information, and in the meantime open your mind just a little.



I have to disagree, I run a phenom II X2 840, 16 gig of ram and a GTX 550to gfx card, not top spec I know, but certainly a decent rig. I could definitely NOT run 7 accounts on it (what you say as mediocre rig possible) let alone 11.

Its a bit crap to maybe call the guy out, but I have to say I didn think a similar thought when I read about that number of accounts. That is way WAAAY beyond enjoying some good old fashioned spaceship gaming...



Maybe you should stop using AMD based CPU's. I can run 5 accounts with no issues on an e7500 with 8 gigs and an hd 6800 and that's seriously dated. (granted I"m not running @ high graphic settings) 22 accounts could easily be done on a couple decent boxes with multiple monitors using isboxer, which is not a TOS violation.



Nothing like a bit of relaxed spaceship gaming to take your mind off real life eh? Ill just log on my 22 ice mining accounts for a spot of relaxation. Yep, sounds legit to me whether he runs them on 2 or 22 computers.

Maybe you are right, I dont know I dont use intel processors as tbqh I cant justify the price. My total rig cost me under 400 quid to put together and im happy, and see no need to have more than 2 instances running, but Ill take your point with grace, my rig isnt exactly ultra powered lol.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Lifelongnoob
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-29 14:56:13 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
Not sure if this is teh best time to raise this, but 22 accounts being used simultaneously? Really? How many top end PCs would you need to do that? 5? More? Mine happily runs 2 but struggles with 3 instances, I woudl say my machine is somewhere maybe above mid spec by todays standards.And you seriously need some multitasking skills to do it too, and some serious isk to run them.

22 accounts, 22 plex a month being around 11 billion isk a month or £330 a month (or similar for different currencies)

Did I read right? 22 accounts? That was the right number yeah? It may need some looking into CCP, I mean OK the guy has some issues for sure, but that doesnt mean he gets a free botting pass does it?



i can run upto 15 using just 5 mediocre pcs on low settings... its not that hard on the pc.... all ya need is a decent amount of ram (4gb) in each to run 3 clients on each.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-29 15:00:19 UTC
dude was ice mining, that's like a 10min cycle.... some people just need to find better ways of dealing with their ****
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#13 - 2012-03-29 15:04:28 UTC
I am guessing the OP and other butthurt posters have never seen this:

http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

You can run 5 accounts per PC using minimal settings on a quad-core box with enough RAM and a decent video card. You are not going to PVP or PVE, but Ice mining would be trivial.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
#14 - 2012-03-29 15:20:03 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I am guessing the OP and other butthurt posters have never seen this:

http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

You can run 5 accounts per PC using minimal settings on a quad-core box with enough RAM and a decent video card. You are not going to PVP or PVE, but Ice mining would be trivial.




OK, OK. He has 5 PCs set up, like most of us do right? Settles down to do a spot of ice mining, firing up his 22 accounts to take his mind off his terrible real life. I can see how I was wrong now, the guy just likes to do him some quiet mining. With 22 mackinaws. Id happily pay 11 billion isk/£300 a month to do that too, I guess ive been playing wrong all this time.

Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-29 15:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Misunderstood Genius
A lot of people play EVE "for a living". I am not really surprised or shocked anymore when people tell me that someone spent $ 5.000 for Plex. Today you try to imagine the most insane case, someone will teach you that your imagination fails and you will come to the conclusion: "There's always a bigger nerd!"

(Check the link and the previous setup to understand how dealing with 26 accounts technically work. But I can't still imagine what it means to organize them.)
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-29 15:31:57 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
A lot of people play EVE "for a living". I am not really surprised or shocked anymore when people tell me that someone spent $ 5.000 for Plex. Today you try to imagine the most insane case, someone will teach you that your imagination fails and you will come to the conclusion: "There's always a bigger nerd!"

(Check the link and you understand how dealing with 24 accounts technically work. But I can't still imagine what it means to organize them.)


By for a living do you mean RMTing? Im pretty sure 22 ice mining accounts would actually provide a decent income yeah, your right. How many billions a day would you make? Well, right up until the ice interdiction anyway, then your RL income might be threatened. Makes me wonder what lengths a person would go to to protect that income.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-29 15:36:17 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Today you try to imagine the most insane case, someone will teach you that your imagination fails and you will come to the conclusion: "There's always a bigger nerd!"

This



and:
Rico Minali wrote:
By for a living do you mean RMTing? Im pretty sure 22 ice mining accounts would actually provide a decent income yeah, your right. How many billions a day would you make? Well, right up until the ice interdiction anyway, then your RL income might be threatened. Makes me wonder what lengths a person would go to to protect that income.


For a living can also mean as a hobby which is so much fun that its all you want to do... No RMTer would go through all that struggle to set up a multiboxing rig when he could just bot... If you see a real multiboxer you can be pretty sure hes not doing it for RMT, he's just doing it for the fun and challenge...
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-29 15:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Misunderstood Genius
Rico Minali wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
A lot of people play EVE "for a living". I am not really surprised or shocked anymore when people tell me that someone spent $ 5.000 for Plex. Today you try to imagine the most insane case, someone will teach you that your imagination fails and you will come to the conclusion: "There's always a bigger nerd!"

(Check the link and you understand how dealing with 24 accounts technically work. But I can't still imagine what it means to organize them.)


By for a living do you mean RMTing? Im pretty sure 22 ice mining accounts would actually provide a decent income yeah, your right. How many billions a day would you make? Well, right up until the ice interdiction anyway, then your RL income might be threatened. Makes me wonder what lengths a person would go to to protect that income.


No, I didn't mean RMT. People play EVE like it would be a well paid profession. I see players around who are online AND active for 8 to 12 hours a day incl. the weekends. For years now. WTF. What do these guys do in RL? And finally things like CSM and flying to Iceland for a drunken pseudo-celebrity speech - I mean - for what all this effort without a value for RL? O.K., without these alpha-nerds the game would be boring but hell, CCP doesn't pay them for all their insane RL time investment. EVE is not a game. EVE is work (for some people). Finally CCP should hire them because a lot of players ingame like bigger corp or alliance leaders are qualified for beeing employees for CCP. Without them the game might be dead and boring.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2012-03-29 15:41:03 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
I am guessing the OP and other butthurt posters have never seen this:

http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

You can run 5 accounts per PC using minimal settings on a quad-core box with enough RAM and a decent video card. You are not going to PVP or PVE, but Ice mining would be trivial.




OK, OK. He has 5 PCs set up, like most of us do right? Settles down to do a spot of ice mining, firing up his 22 accounts to take his mind off his terrible real life. I can see how I was wrong now, the guy just likes to do him some quiet mining. With 22 mackinaws. Id happily pay 11 billion isk/£300 a month to do that too, I guess ive been playing wrong all this time.




Some people have no life and lots of cash. Don't be jelly because someone else found a way to do what they find enjoyable in-game that does not suit your views.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-29 15:42:25 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
Not sure if this is teh best time to raise this, but 22 accounts being used simultaneously? Really? How many top end PCs would you need to do that? 5? More? Mine happily runs 2 but struggles with 3 instances, I woudl say my machine is somewhere maybe above mid spec by todays standards.And you seriously need some multitasking skills to do it too, and some serious isk to run them.

22 accounts, 22 plex a month being around 11 billion isk a month or £330 a month (or similar for different currencies)

Did I read right? 22 accounts? That was the right number yeah? It may need some looking into CCP, I mean OK the guy has some issues for sure, but that doesnt mean he gets a free botting pass does it?



You're assuming he uses all those account at the same time and that they're all currently funded. I know many people with many accounts. Half the time half their accounts aren't even active and less than half that are, they actually play with regularly.

Don't ban me, bro!