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Amarr Citizen 20120329
#41 - 2012-03-29 08:08:10 UTC
I want Jita to burn like my herpes

Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested.

Btw, I am the Mittardi, not the Mittani
Vince Snetterton
#42 - 2012-03-29 08:15:05 UTC
Quote:
Ai Mei


This is one example. The burning of jita will be more difficult than people think. Hulk ganking works because of security status. The response time is slower from concord in the 0.5 and 0.6 spaces. Jita is 1.0, concord there almost instant if not already on grid. Any gank attack will only have one shot. There will be alot of fire, burning hot and bright, and a whole lot of wrecked ships. I have no doubt that it will be planned, and there will be firepower, but the quote above is quite the thing to consider.

The firepower to bring to burn jita will be alot more expensive than a few alts with thrashers in asteroid belts. It would mean battlecruisers and more manpower, for less damage output. Even with the massive goonwallet, the time they can spend is finite. Tier 3 ships, if they keep em going are going to be a few hundred mil an hour, provided they can stay fitted. Manpower will be limited as a mass outpouring will have people counter attacking. Good for eve, nullsec wars are good for everybody. Goons finish and lay waste in nullsec more. Their war declaration in their goonian speech shows. More ass kicking, less noob shooting.



I am wondering if this Burn Jita thing is just some ruse by goons to make ISK, and it will not happen.
As you pointed out, Tornado's will get popped in 1.0 space VERY fast.

I listened to their leader's latest audio file.
He called for 1800 Tornado's.


Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter.
So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters?
And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?

Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.

At that point other hubs pop up.
Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.

As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000.
That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita.
So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?

The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all.
It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th.
I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.
Prince Kobol
#43 - 2012-03-29 08:21:48 UTC
My god how many times does it have to be said.

The EULA/TOS gives CCP the right to do what they want, when they want and how they want.

The can ban anybody they want for what ever reason they want.
Lord Fargo
Thirsty Beaver
#44 - 2012-03-29 08:29:17 UTC
Gonna get your freighters and hulks
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-03-29 08:32:18 UTC
All of my isk is going to Thrashers and Tornadoes. Going to be one hell of a party.
(Reserving 50+ thrashers for podmail superstar purposes, more delicious tears.)
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-03-29 08:32:33 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am wondering if this Burn Jita thing is just some ruse by goons to make ISK, and it will not happen.
As you pointed out, Tornado's will get popped in 1.0 space VERY fast.

I listened to their leader's latest audio file.
He called for 1800 Tornado's.


Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter.
So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters?
And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?

Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.

At that point other hubs pop up.
Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.

As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000.
That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita.
So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?

The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all.
It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th.
I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.

Oh heck yeah, imagine the L artillery market will be insane.

The more I think about it, the more I cannot get the image of how crazy it will be, I honestly cannot wait. I will almost guarantee it won't be a hauler gankfest, but a smartbomb, maxed TiDi bloodbath free for all.

Everybody will be gathered there, just staring, and sitting on the undock. Might actually not see any moving going on. Mittani will log in, hopefully say some one liner.

"Fire"

And everybody will just start shooting everybody.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#47 - 2012-03-29 08:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Luh Windan
Vince Snetterton wrote:



Assume these these Tornado's get off 2 shots each in 1.0 space, that still means 9-10 gank ships per freighter.
So that means 1800 Tornado's have the ability to take out 180-200 freighters?
And how many freighters pass in and out of Jita in a day?

Now, I think the mere threat of this happening will so drastically limit Jita traffic that those 1800 ships could last significantly longer.

At that point other hubs pop up.
Further, these jokers will have to sell their products somewhere eventually. Their own members also use Jita to finance their goon chars. Plus, as others stated, while they burn Jita who is protecting their turf.

As it stands, goons are 8000 strong, and their test buddies another 6000.
That is 14000 chars, plus likely another equal number of alts. So now we are talking 28,000 chars that could siege Jita.
So how does 1800 Tier 3 BC's work there? Maybe another 50,000 Catalysts?

The more I think about this, the more I feel it will be a 1-2 day gank, if it happens at all.
It will be a great opportunity to make a ton of ISK as people panic and either sell like crazy or buy like crazy prior to the 28th.
I am not smart enough to figure which it will go, but rest assured, some people will get very rich off of this.


(glad conversation is beginning to return to normal instead of all the posturing and idiocy)

I think that 9-10 tornados might be a little low for Jita. Lets go with something a little higher - say 15 (using the higher number gives enough margin for error too so I can ignore fittings, ammo and the times they f**k up without killing anything)

So 1800 tornados then is 120 ganks per day (freighters - but surely you would want to have a go at those lovely shiny faction fit missions ships too so you might be able to get more for your tornados)

so assuming a Tornado is 65mil (I bought one yesterday and I think it was something like that) then 1800 would be 117bil

I'm not sure what the goons wallet is like but you've got to imagine that 1 trillion is something they would feel happy spending on this at the very least

1 trillion divided by 117 billion is 8.5 (asking wolfram alpha where you can just type that in in words! )

so if you have the man power you could easily keep this up for a week for 1 trillion isk - especially since fear would work in your favour and you would need to gank less ships per day as the traffic dropped

Currently hoping that the goons are actually motivated and organised enough to pull this off because it will be really interesting to see what happens.

(for the record - Mittani did wrong , he's done now what the thinks is right , I have no idea what all the posturing on the forums is meant to achieve and will be quite glad when it is all gone. My interest in the Jita burn is not political but simply because the scientist in me is really interested in what happenes when you poke the system in this way)
Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
#48 - 2012-03-29 08:38:15 UTC
Those 1800 tornados will last about an hour or two in jita, after that it's back to business.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-03-29 08:38:43 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
All of my isk is going to Thrashers and Tornadoes. Going to be one hell of a party.
(Reserving 50+ thrashers for podmail superstar purposes, more delicious tears.)



Disco domis on the Jita undock!

Let face it, Jita isn't enough....there are 4 other major trade hubs...
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-03-29 08:51:09 UTC
Nah, jita undock influence is too big. Smartbombs cannot be activated within 5km of a structure. Or at least used to be, I tried...

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-03-29 08:53:11 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game.
While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?

CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.



No. All CCP did was act in an appropriate way when a person no matter how many votes he had stepped over the line and called for the harassment of a suicidally minded player till he killed himself. It's the Mittani's fault, and while he accepted responsibility and apologized, that doesn't mean CCP should take no action.
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IsTheOpOver
#52 - 2012-03-29 09:00:58 UTC
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.

What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:

"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."

It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.

Hence, Jita must burn.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#53 - 2012-03-29 09:04:28 UTC
Davor wrote:
I know, maybe ccp should give all you pubs some t2 bpos. Is that enough hand holding for you?




I detect increasing levels of mad in this one.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-03-29 09:05:23 UTC
The joke is we are all looking forward to the jita interdiction more then the goons are.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#55 - 2012-03-29 09:08:51 UTC
IsTheOpOver wrote:
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.

What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:

"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."

It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.

Hence, Jita must burn.




Well, shame it's just taken CCP for The Mittani and all the other Goons to listen but there you go.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-03-29 09:08:57 UTC
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-03-29 09:10:42 UTC
IsTheOpOver wrote:
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.

What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:

"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."

It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.

Hence, Jita must burn.


So...Mittens........ Mad?

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Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-03-29 09:17:51 UTC
-Facepalm-

We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.

This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-03-29 09:22:32 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
-Facepalm-

We had this planned the moment we hit 10k votes.

This interdiction was no 'knee-jerk' reaction to the Mittani being punished. Cripes.


This. Also I'm so goddamn excited for the razing right now. It will be incredible.
Josef Djugashvilis
#60 - 2012-03-29 09:28:56 UTC
IsTheOpOver wrote:
JITA TO BURN APRIL 28th!!!!!

...also, this just in... Tornados to get a crippling nerf on April 27th ;)



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