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Why GSF violates the EULA/TOS and should be removed from Eve

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1 - 2012-03-29 05:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2 - 2012-03-29 05:44:02 UTC
IBTL?

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Kaldaine
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-29 05:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaldaine
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?



Agree wit da op qtiyd
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-29 05:44:20 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?



I guess this is the TEST mittens is trying to perform on CCP.

Take note of it CCP.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-29 05:46:37 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?


quoted for stupidity and for being a internet try hard.

I have more space likes than you. 
DonHel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-29 05:47:52 UTC
damn, you put together a good case
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-29 05:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Well, there is some things about eve to remember. First part about griefing
Quote:
"At our discretion"
The targeting of miners, haulers etc is not considered to actually be griefing by terms of the EULA. It does say targeting players. Things like hulkageddon and such are the targeting of ships. Their burn Jita is a system. Mechanics are in place and players can avoid, or change tactics to avoid said situations.

In the case of eve, if they suicided a guys hulk, then his retreiver he replaced it with, then podded him as he flew around in a shuttle a few times, that would be griefing. In those cases, that is griefing by terms of the EULA.

It is the tough part I guess. Alot of what is called griefing isn't griefing in terms of the EULA by what I read. Also, it is up to the person victim to notify the other player as such, and the "Griefer" then to explain their position. If that isn't good enough, well again it says at their discression. If no report is made, then what can they do?

We gotta remember, there are some things in eve such as freighter gankings, the hulkageddon events and other stuff that really are integral to eve online. It is easy to avoid falling victim, I mean real easy. CCP has done all they can without actually preventing players from firing their guns. I don't grief, but I know removing of that would be a very bad thing for eve.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#8 - 2012-03-29 05:57:47 UTC
ban all goon
Liam Mirren
#9 - 2012-03-29 06:00:37 UTC
I wonder if Mittani's new plan, to burn jita, could be seen as "purposely creating lag", GM's really like that when you do this in Jita or other tradehubs.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#10 - 2012-03-29 06:02:17 UTC
CCP needs to seriously evaluate if they really want the harsh, cold, dangerous universe that has brought them so far. If they back down from their vision now, the game will not survive.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Vila eNorvic
#11 - 2012-03-29 06:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vila eNorvic
Markus Reese wrote:
The targeting of miners, haulers etc is not considered to actually be griefing by terms of the EULA. It does say targeting players. Things like hulkageddon and such are the targeting of ships.

I guess you fail at reading.

Have another look through the OP's quotes and tell us where it says that.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-29 06:09:26 UTC
Why you violate the EULA/TOS and should be removed from the game:


you're a terrible poster
Onyx Blackman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-29 06:10:24 UTC
Threads like these are the culmination of years of pent-up bitterness and unrequited butthurt. It's hilarious, keep them coming.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-29 06:10:43 UTC
Wasn't targeting of miners in that Butterfly Effect video CCP made?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#15 - 2012-03-29 06:11:03 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
CCP needs to seriously evaluate if they really want the harsh, cold, dangerous universe that has stagnated them so far. If they back down from their vision now, the game will thrive.



FIxed that for ya Xander
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#16 - 2012-03-29 06:12:23 UTC
I have no problem with a group that wants to crush their enemies in the game, rule the universe, or even just have fun being asshats. But these things seem secondary to the Goons primary goals in Eve. They are “an alliance based around (f’ing) with people…what some would call cyber-bullying” according to their own leader. The alliance was, “shaped for the infliction of misery”. One of their stated goals (hopes) is to get players “banned for life”. Their latest goal is to “ruin everything” by ruining Jita.

How does this help make Eve a better game?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-29 06:13:03 UTC
Sure, I have a measurable distaste for GSF but the only way I want to see them totally removed from EVE is by podding their asses and overturning all their SOV while denying them place in new corps and alliances. It'll happen one day. Even if by their own hand.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-29 06:13:32 UTC
They might occupy jita for one day. but CCP will move in and make them leave or start using force. And honestly who cares what goons do. They are called fat bees for a reason. Give them some honey and they swarm. But they eventually get bored of one sweet palette and choose to move to a new hive location.

Something clever
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-29 06:16:38 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
They might occupy jita for one day. but CCP will move in and make them leave or start using force. And honestly who cares what goons do. They are called fat bees for a reason. Give them some honey and they swarm. But they eventually get bored of one sweet palette and choose to move to a new hive location.



How would CCP make them leave if they are using legit game mechanics? If they decide they all want to start killing people in Jita, the only thing to do would be to stay docked or leave.... or (gulp) fight them.

You really would be happy if CCP did some kind of intervention?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Ai Shun
#20 - 2012-03-29 06:17:44 UTC
Oh great, another ban PvP one. So there goes the market, trading, Incursions, Industry, mining, space combat and ... well. Just about everything. We should all spin our ships and sing Kumbaja together.
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