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Clarification on TOS violation as reason for election fraud demanded
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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#21 - 2012-03-29 01:43:24 UTC
Feel free to take it up with Mittens, who threw away your votes.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Kuew Ammutseba
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-29 01:59:49 UTC
I know this is a troll thread... but it is the very first rule in the TOS, soooooo.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#23 - 2012-03-29 02:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Koby Botick wrote:

That is precisely what I want to hear from CCP. "We removed 10'000 votes just so". As I wrote in the OP, it's electoral fraud.

Koby Botick wrote:

it's electoral fraud.

Koby Botick wrote:

fraud


You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

CCP has removed CSM members in the past for violations of their TOS/EULA. They reserve that right. They can even disband the entire CSM if they choose to.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#24 - 2012-03-29 02:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
stupid forums

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jack Parr
Kzinti Hegemony
#25 - 2012-03-29 02:11:03 UTC
i dont know if the goonies and pets (test) realize this, but if you still have your web browser open to the page you voted on, you can hit the [back] button and re-cast your vote. hope this helps.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon."      - The Mittani
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#26 - 2012-03-29 02:14:06 UTC
Actually no one 'removed' votes. Your glorious leader acted a fool and had to pay the consequences for his actions, just like any other player would have. Deal with it.

Have a tissue and wipe away those tears.
Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
#27 - 2012-03-29 02:24:05 UTC
Is it not more correct to point out that the chairman of the CSM threw away 10,000 votes in a display of drunken asshattery?

On the basis the Mittani apologised, seemed sincere and implied he'd be stepping down, don't see what indulging in internet legal hocus-pocus is going to achieve.
Kaldaine
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-29 02:26:05 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
I can Only say HTFU goons.


Im hard.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-29 02:28:21 UTC
Koby Botick wrote:
Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:
Quote:

Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I naïvely thought you had changed.

why you mad bro.
why you cryin bro.
why you stressed out bro.
why you pulling your single golden thread thats upon your head bro.
why you comin at ccp for bro.

need some papertowel bro.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#30 - 2012-03-29 02:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
XavierVE wrote:
More goon tears, tsk. I know you guys aren't too good with TOS and EULA's so here's help...

Courtesy of the EULA:

Quote:
C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors;


Fanfest is a user-to-user area. It's a CCP event for EVE players broadcast by CCP to the EVE community via CCP's systems.

I was threatened with a ban for asking people to "boo" someone on the message board, that's not "in-game" either, but the EULA covers the usage of the message boards as part of the EVE ecosystem, which also covers EVE's fanfest.

Guess what? Inciting a mob of people to harass someone so he commits suicide is against quite a few statutes, rules, regulations and laws around most of the civilized world.



NIce, but the definition of "The System" you left out .

Quote:
You may play EVE using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software") that allows you to log into CCP's computer system (the "System") online and interact within the game environment created by CCP. To play, CCP requires that you review and agree to the following terms and conditions.


The System is not CCP's Fanfest area. It is the computer system that you must log into.

Hence "The System may allow you to interact with [User Content] and you may not violate these rules while on [The Computer System]". The User-To-User areas are on the System. Not at Fanfest where you take a plan to land and then step in front of 100 people to talk.


Quote:
C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors;

Where I am.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#31 - 2012-03-29 02:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Marduk Nibiru
Koby Botick wrote:
Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:
Quote:

Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I naïvely thought you had changed.


You guys are really destroying my respect for goons. I feel sort of like God in that South Park episode, "What the hell happened to you, Satan? You used to be such a bad ass, now you're just this little *****."

Your leader stepped in it. You lost the meta-game. Move on. You can't win them all.

Edit, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-erhBDHSCU
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#32 - 2012-03-29 02:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
Koby Botick wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
CCP has removed CSM members in the past for TOS/EULA violations. This situation is no different whatsoever.


If you cared to read my posting, you'd see that I want them to point out the rule in the ToS that he has aledgedly violated. Directly harassing someone is against the ToS. Telling others to do so, is not. I want CCP to exactly define their ToS, since apparently we all might hang in much deeper if they start to lay it out as they wish and not as it is written.



You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

I can clearly see someone else would be suffering from this by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules.
Being drunk isn't an excuse.

You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.

You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
Propmod
The Creepshow
#33 - 2012-03-29 02:47:15 UTC
Koby Botick wrote:
Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 goons and goon alt votes



Fixed that for ya
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-03-29 02:49:13 UTC
Koby Botick wrote:
Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:
Quote:

Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I naïvely thought you had changed.



Dude, get to **** out of EVE...this is ******* stupid. Why could this have not gone in anyone of the other Mittani/CSM revote threads?

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2012-03-29 02:52:34 UTC
Quote:
Clarification on TOS violation as reason for election fraud demanded.


Here's a clarification for you.

It's CCP's game. They can remove any player for any reason (or no reason at all) at their pleasure.

Demands and whining/ crying/ tantrums in the forum are only allowed to make you feel better about yourself. Did it work? Feel better now?

Mr Epeen Cool
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#36 - 2012-03-29 02:55:14 UTC
Can I have your stuff?
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