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Call for rerun of CSM 7 Election
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#61 - 2012-03-28 23:57:18 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.


It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.



Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#62 - 2012-03-28 23:58:45 UTC
Doddy wrote:
The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.

That's actually a good thing. Now that the problem is known, it can be fixed.

The CSM needs to be further codified in the event of future incidents like this. If you have a set plan in place beforehand, when the unthinkable happens you don't have a ton of people running around screaming and helpless...you have instructions to follow. You learn that in the military pretty quickly.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#63 - 2012-03-28 23:59:09 UTC
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.

He did that himself.

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Liam Mirren
#64 - 2012-03-29 00:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Doddy wrote:
The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.


There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious".

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Doddy
Excidium.
#65 - 2012-03-29 00:01:57 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.


It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.



Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.


So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani?

Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-03-29 00:02:39 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.

He did that himself.

Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#67 - 2012-03-29 00:03:54 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.

He did that himself.

Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true.

What part of resign don't you grasp?

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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#68 - 2012-03-29 00:04:23 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
re run

there is no other choice

The voice of the people spoke


not empty quoting
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-03-29 00:05:40 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.

He did that himself.

Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true.

What part of resign don't you grasp?

What part of "from the chairmanship" don't you grasp?

Oh, I know, the part that doesn't support your bullshit version of history. Right.
Midge Mo'yb
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-03-29 00:06:28 UTC
I WANT MY VOTES BACK
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#71 - 2012-03-29 00:06:55 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.


As I said in the other goon tears thread in JP:

You had your vote. You voted fail. Now HTFU and stop crying.

Mr Epeen Cool
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#72 - 2012-03-29 00:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Doddy wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.


It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.



Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.


So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani?

Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.


I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman from within their ranks.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Doddy
Excidium.
#73 - 2012-03-29 00:08:22 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Doddy wrote:
The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.


There are no flaws, one of the CSM members messed up (this has happened before) and got removed because of it (this has happened before), thus an alternate steps in. The system works perfectly fine. CCP is not responsible for the actions of said CSM member, if the public isn't happy with losing representation then they should probably aim that at the booted CSM member. Or just cry tears of rage on the forums, that also works and by "works" I mean "is hilarious".


Its still a flaw even if its funny. The fact the CSM wasn't even in place yet makes it even more ridiculous.
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#74 - 2012-03-29 00:09:35 UTC
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
Doddy
Excidium.
#75 - 2012-03-29 00:09:54 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Yeah, about that.. I don't think that's how a democracy works when an elected "official" is impeached, which is pretty much what happened here. I think CCP provided for alternates for this specific situation.


It depends on the nature of the democracy and how it is handled. Refer to the previous discussion on a By-Election or read here.



Well, that type of situation would be conditional on there being no alternates, CCP provided for this situation by assigning alternate CSM candidates for *exactly* this situation.


So the current first alternate (i don't even know who it is btw) will represent the people who voted for Mittani?

Of course the CFC only have themselves to blame for putting all their votes behind MIttani instead of maximising CSM numbers like in previous years. Oops.


I would imagine that the delegate with the next highest number of votes would become chairman, or the CSM would vote on who becomes chairman.



The csm votes to select a replacement, i am not talking about who is chairman though, that is really just an ego piece.
MissCake
The Cake is NOT a Lie
#76 - 2012-03-29 00:10:29 UTC
Revote imo
Ai Shun
#77 - 2012-03-29 00:10:52 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
The funny thing is, CCP didnt force Mittens to resign and invalidate the votes.

He did that himself.

Hey you can keep posting this and liking your own post but it's still not true.

What part of resign don't you grasp?


Oh dear, dear, dear.

Resigned as chairman.

CCP removed him from the CSM.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-03-29 00:11:06 UTC
PsychoBitch wrote:
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.

But spamming is, apparently.
Kesper North
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-03-29 00:11:19 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.


QFT - this action totally invalidates the rest of the voting.
Ai Shun
#80 - 2012-03-29 00:12:30 UTC
PsychoBitch wrote:
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.


You ran for the CSM and can't even keep up with the game?