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Call for rerun of CSM 7 Election
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-03-28 23:14:36 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.


Elections were fair and square, no validity to question. It's just that AFTER the election said representative decided to mess up.


In what electoral system do you vote in where once the votes are in the other side automatically wins when dirt is found on the winning party? Because it has to be absolutely hilarious and I NEED to watch during election season.
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#22 - 2012-03-28 23:15:20 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.

That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.

I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.

When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.

Such is life.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-03-28 23:15:22 UTC
Kriegman wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.


These tears will be used as lube for my special alone time tonight.


Tears? No, another CFC candidate for CSM chair YES


Oh God yes, keep them coming!

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#24 - 2012-03-28 23:16:23 UTC
If they rerun the election, can I vote for mittens again anyway?

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-03-28 23:16:48 UTC
Kriegman wrote:
Agreed, the vote has to be thrown out and new election held. Lots of Goons voted for Mittens. If he is gone our votes have to mean something if CSM is to have any legitimacy.



Fixed.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-28 23:21:47 UTC
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
I have to agree with this, when a large portion of the electoral ballots have suddenly become invalidated, Multiple things are gonna happen.

Future CSM votes will not nearly be as high. If at all.
CSM WILL lose a lot, if not all credibility between CCP and CSM in the playerbase's eyes.
See: Monoclegate


They were invalidated because of the elected official's incompetence. If it was vote tampering, you might have a point.

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Ai Shun
#27 - 2012-03-28 23:22:45 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.

I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.

When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.

Such is life.


Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house.
ChYph3r
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-28 23:27:07 UTC
My deal with this is Mittens took did something we all do within our corps, alliances and coms. He did it in public. I don't understand why saying a persons in game name can cause so much ****. Its not like its his real life name. Thus the anonymity was kept.

CCP has now just shat all over the 10058 people that voted for The Mittani.


PS Darius is still an ass.

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Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#29 - 2012-03-28 23:27:47 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.

I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.

When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.

Such is life.


Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house.

By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-03-28 23:28:48 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why should they do it now?



Those events were well into the terms of the CSM members and another election or chance for certain people to vote again would disrupt what was going on in the CSM.

The CSM elections just ended, the CSM hasn't even had the time to actually do anything and thus it would be appropriate for votes to be cast now while nothing has actually happened.

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Lonox
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-03-28 23:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lonox
Alara IonStorm
#32 - 2012-03-28 23:30:24 UTC
I don't think there should be a re-election. Those votes were not lost but squandered by The Mittani and the blame is squarely on him.

The other people who campaigned do not deserve to loose there seats because of one bad apples crime. Yes my vote was invalidated and so was ten thousand others and I place blame on The Mittani for that one.
low26
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#33 - 2012-03-28 23:32:23 UTC
u mad brah?Big smile
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#34 - 2012-03-28 23:32:57 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Darius for CSM7


f**k off



U mad bro?


no im not... i just know he's a f**kin waste of space
Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-03-28 23:33:29 UTC
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Liam Mirren
#36 - 2012-03-28 23:34:15 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.

Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.


Elections were fair and square, no validity to question. It's just that AFTER the election said representative decided to mess up.


In what electoral system do you vote in where once the votes are in the other side automatically wins when dirt is found on the winning party? Because it has to be absolutely hilarious and I NEED to watch during election season.


Actually, it happens a lot. Politicians who are found to have a "problematic history" or, as in this case, fck up afterwards to have to resign. Also eggs basket and all that, if you had chosen for more representatives you'd still have one. Don't vote on what you can't afford to lose.

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Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-28 23:34:16 UTC
Let's do it under STV.

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Ai Shun
#38 - 2012-03-28 23:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Amity Lane wrote:
By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?


And in regular (At least here in NZ) systems, when the electoral candidate is removed or removes themselves the position does not drop down to the next highest vote count. see this as a special circumstance because it represents a large slice of the voting population (Almost 20%!) and it is the position of Chairman.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#39 - 2012-03-28 23:34:49 UTC
CCP did not re-run the elections in the past when other CSM members were removed for TOS/EULA violations, why exactly should they do it now?


Anyone?

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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-03-28 23:36:10 UTC
you guys butthurt?!?
blahblahblah,blahblah, was what i got from this post.
blahblahblah,blahblah, was what you got from my post.
lets call it even.