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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3861 - 2012-03-28 19:59:13 UTC
Boz Wel wrote:
I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.

Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous.


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Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3862 - 2012-03-28 19:59:17 UTC
Voull wrote:
Why is this thread still going? Do people honestly think it is acceptable to belittle someone and attempt to push them to suicide?

Grow up.

This thread is still going because space barbie fan club thread still has more pages than this one, and despite the best efforts of the mods who are deleting every other post, this thread WILL reach the number one spot.

Also, this is a great way for us all to farm likes, to stoke our e-peens.
Prince Kobol
#3863 - 2012-03-28 19:59:32 UTC
Allataria wrote:


Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?


Wrong again.

Many Games companies have banned people for things which were not on the EULA/TOS.

The EULA/TOS is not there to protect the player, never has been, never will be, and if you do honestly believe that then you are being I am sorry to say naive.

What you really really need to understand is the EULA/TOS exists so it allows CCP, or any company, to do what they want, when they want and how they want.

I agree that CCP were naive and if they had pre-screened the presentation beforehand then I'm I would imagine who ever did the screening has had to answer some pretty hard questions.

You might not like knowing that CCP, or any other games company for that matter can ban you at will, but fact is, they can.







James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3864 - 2012-03-28 19:59:48 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Voull wrote:
Why is this thread still going? Do people honestly think it is acceptable to belittle someone and attempt to push them to suicide?

Grow up.



I dont think its right to belittle someone who is genuinely depressed and suicidal.

But if someone is crying and threatening to kill themselves over a video game. they are just looking for attention.

Attention whores DESERVE to be belittled and teased and pointed/laughed at.

Do you know that for a fact or did Dr. Phil tell you?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

NamingViolation
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3865 - 2012-03-28 20:01:07 UTC
Volster wrote:
if anything, the only bits i could ccp realisticly doing would be to accept his resignation from the csm and / or not invite him to speak at future fanfests. banning him from the game would be a massive overreacton from ccp's end, as ultimatly they have to look at the facts of what actually happened rather than taking into account any personal feelings of his playstyle.

like it or not,the ice interdiction was entirely withing game mechanics, and (apart from petitions) there's no rule against publishing communiction that someones chosen to send you. ultimatly all they have to act on is him encouraging others to harrass this person, and even then it was only in the form of "if you want to" rather than an active encouragment, so at worst he ought to be given a warning.



The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3866 - 2012-03-28 20:01:14 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
What ever CCP decides beyond that.



Or, you know, well short of that.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Voull
Visional
#3867 - 2012-03-28 20:01:56 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Voull wrote:
Why is this thread still going? Do people honestly think it is acceptable to belittle someone and attempt to push them to suicide?

Grow up.



I dont think its right to belittle someone who is genuinely depressed and suicidal.

But if someone is crying and threatening to kill themselves over a video game. they are just looking for attention.

Attention whores DESERVE to be belittled and teased and pointed/laughed at.


No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3868 - 2012-03-28 20:02:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:


Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?


Wrong again.

Many Games companies have banned people for things which were not on the EULA/TOS.


I agree that CCP were naive and if they had pre-screened the presentation beforehand then I'm I would imagine who ever did the screening has had to answer some pretty hard questions.








remember nipplegate ?

high professional TV stations arnt proof from that ..
live is live

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3869 - 2012-03-28 20:02:44 UTC
NamingViolation wrote:


The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)


You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all.
Karoline Kane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3870 - 2012-03-28 20:03:01 UTC
I just donest make sense to me all this ''blah blah personal details''

when they have been on the player bio with a long description of his life and exploits easily accesible to everyone
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3871 - 2012-03-28 20:03:10 UTC
Voull wrote:
No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it


thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3872 - 2012-03-28 20:04:05 UTC
Ah another day of fruitful posting comes to a close.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3873 - 2012-03-28 20:04:45 UTC
Altimo wrote:
The Wis wrote:
OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.

I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.

This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.

I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.

There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.

To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.



The Wis



Then don't post personal information about your self to strangers, its not rocket science its common sense. That goes for anyone really.

This is a game where people don't take other in game characters seriously. Now look, he did not state your real name, but the personae your playing as in game.

You know it takes more balls to apologize in front of thousands of people as a real person giving your real name, then it does to simply hide behind those people crying about an issue that never had to exist in the first place.

It also takes more courage to forgive in some cases then it does to simply continue hating on someone that ultimately resulted in something you did. No one asked you to send that eve mail, and to the most notorious group known as the GOON SWARM what the hell kind of response did you think you were gonna get?

Its like poking a hornets nest and wondering why you got stung... oh wait.


Lesson to be lerned: NO ONE wants to hear you want to kill yourself on a internet game. We are not psiquiatrists.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]

Count Austheim
Redemption Denied
#3874 - 2012-03-28 20:05:34 UTC
Im going to read all the 200 pages!

Oh wait, i dont care.

If this ships a´rockin, then im strangling someone....

http://count-austheim.blogspot.com

Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3875 - 2012-03-28 20:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Fist
The Wis wrote:
OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.

I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.

This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.

I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.

There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.

To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.



The Wis


I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost.

However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage.

So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was.

You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences.

So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly.
recurrsion
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3876 - 2012-03-28 20:06:52 UTC
Andski wrote:

thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7


Says the goon drone of no importance.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3877 - 2012-03-28 20:06:52 UTC
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MODERATORS STOP DELETING POSTS.

We'll never catch space barbies if you keep culling this thread.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3878 - 2012-03-28 20:07:43 UTC
recurrsion wrote:
Andski wrote:

thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7


Says the goon drone of no importance.



Where is your avatar then?
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3879 - 2012-03-28 20:07:45 UTC
recurrsion wrote:
Andski wrote:

thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7


Says the goon drone of no importance.

You have no face, you have even less importance than I do.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3880 - 2012-03-28 20:08:01 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MODERATORS STOP DELETING POSTS.

We'll never catch space barbies if you keep culling this thread.


I would say quality over quantity but that went out the window on page one.