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Casual WH plexing -- rat difficulty?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-03-28 18:34:15 UTC
tl;dr: how difficult are low-class WH exploration sites in terms of minimal ship requirement to run them?

I live in lowsec and even though I have the FW ISK-fountain to drink from for PvE, I find it dreadfully boring -- so I do exploration instead! While the occasional complex escalates and gives me delicious faction loot, there are a lot of wormholes I run into while scanning. Most of them link to C1-3 w-space. I have gone in and they usually have complexes or anomalies to run, but I have never actually run them as I have no idea what to expect.

I've looked up the different complexes/anomalies, but as sleepers behave very differently from regular rats, I can't tell what sort of effort I need to put into the ship needed to kill them. Plus, all of them that are solo-able recommend a Drake or a Tengu, even if they are complete overkill.

So... what is the minimal ship required to solo most plexes in a C1? C2? C3? Or, how do 3 sleeper frigates/cruisers/battleships compare to (for example) 3 Sansha frigates/cruisers/battleships? The latter I could kill in an AF, but does that still work for the former?

No "get a Drake/Tengu" responses, please. I am looking for possible solutions under BC size if possible.

Thanks!

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Splodger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-28 18:41:20 UTC
c1 cane / drake / any t3
c2 cane / drake / any t3
c3 tengu ftw

sleeper sites cant be done in a bomber like some FW stuff. Take a BC and give a c1/c2 ago and youll see why.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-03-28 18:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Splodger wrote:
c1 cane / drake / any t3
c2 cane / drake / any t3
c3 tengu ftw

sleeper sites cant be done in a bomber like some FW stuff. Take a BC and give a c1/c2 ago and youll see why.

Thought as much for the bombers, but really, none of them can be done in sub-BC hulls? That includes HAC and AF. I like mobility, see.

And if not, why not? Just sheer overwhelming incoming DPS, or is it something else?

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Malaxy
Spite Industries
#4 - 2012-03-28 19:10:41 UTC
I had the exact same question up until a few weeks ago when I T2 fit a Brutix and jumped in a C2. I play a good range game and mostly kited everything past their effective range but it was still super easy. Totally anecdotal evidence but I would have to guess a HAC could easily handle C1/C2.; BC if you're cheap like me. Never tried anything harder.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-03-28 19:12:37 UTC
Malaxy wrote:
I had the exact same question up until a few weeks ago when I T2 fit a Brutix and jumped in a C2. I play a good range game and mostly kited everything past their effective range but it was still super easy. Totally anecdotal evidence but I would have to guess a HAC could easily handle C1/C2.; BC if you're cheap like me. Never tried anything harder.


What ranges of rats are to be expected out of sleepers?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-28 20:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
C1 sites require only around 150ish omnitank and the ability to deal with orbiting frigates. an autocannon passive shield cane will do very well, anything similar should also do fine. MWD is a bonus, but not necessary
C2 will challenge your tank to 250-300 dps, anoms will consist of mostly cruisers, some of which will try to orbit at ~50km and some of which will do some light neuting. a cane can still manage those but it gets tedious, better switch to a drake
In C3, there are some battleships with serious neuting, so a capstable build is advised. you will also want either a 400+ dps tank or a small sig and AB, as well as decent measures against webbing frigates. a solo drake with good skills can handle all C3 anoms with a warpout here and there but a T3 like tengu is much preferred
starting from C4, you have to account for very heavy neuting, RR, webbing and scrams, 50+km orbits, so doing them solo is not really efficient.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#7 - 2012-03-28 20:03:20 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Malaxy wrote:
I had the exact same question up until a few weeks ago when I T2 fit a Brutix and jumped in a C2. I play a good range game and mostly kited everything past their effective range but it was still super easy. Totally anecdotal evidence but I would have to guess a HAC could easily handle C1/C2.; BC if you're cheap like me. Never tried anything harder.


What ranges of rats are to be expected out of sleepers?


All of them! Sleeper rats have every range of rat available, jsut make sure you know the class hole you're jumping into before experimenting.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-03-28 20:03:28 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
C1 sites require only around 150ish omnitank and the ability to deal with orbiting frigates. an autocannon passive shield cane will do very well, anything similar should also do fine. MWD is a bonus, but not necessary
C2 will challenge your tank to 250-300 dps, anoms will consist of mostly cruisers, some of which will try to orbit at ~50km and some of which will do some light neuting. a cane can still manage those but it gets tedious, better switch to a drake
In C3, there are some battleships with serious neuting, so a capstable build is advised. you will also want either a 400+ dps tank or a small sig and AB, as well as decent measures against webbing frigates. a solo drake with good skills can handle all C3 anoms with a warpout here and there but a T3 like tengu is much preferred
starting from C4, you have to account for very heavy neuting, RR, webbing and scrams, so doing them solo is not really efficient.

Awesome, just what I was looking for.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2012-03-28 20:05:00 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Malaxy wrote:
I had the exact same question up until a few weeks ago when I T2 fit a Brutix and jumped in a C2. I play a good range game and mostly kited everything past their effective range but it was still super easy. Totally anecdotal evidence but I would have to guess a HAC could easily handle C1/C2.; BC if you're cheap like me. Never tried anything harder.


What ranges of rats are to be expected out of sleepers?


All of them! Sleeper rats have every range of rat available, jsut make sure you know the class hole you're jumping into before experimenting.

I was going for more "can I kite them?" as pertaining to C1-3 sites.

HML Caracal (or Cerb)?

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#10 - 2012-03-28 20:07:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Malaxy wrote:
I had the exact same question up until a few weeks ago when I T2 fit a Brutix and jumped in a C2. I play a good range game and mostly kited everything past their effective range but it was still super easy. Totally anecdotal evidence but I would have to guess a HAC could easily handle C1/C2.; BC if you're cheap like me. Never tried anything harder.


What ranges of rats are to be expected out of sleepers?


All of them! Sleeper rats have every range of rat available, jsut make sure you know the class hole you're jumping into before experimenting.

I was going for more "can I kite them?" as pertaining to C1-3 sites.

HML Caracal (or Cerb)?


The caracal will pop. I've tried and it just pops like no ones business. Cerb might work, never tried. As for kiting, if you kill the frigs it's possible. If not, you'll get webbed and popped.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-28 20:15:22 UTC
i would not rely on kiting. firstly, you sometimes have a wave where a webbing frigate is the trigger and secondly, the frigates are probably faster than you and cruisers and BS will probably outrange you anyway. not to mention the hassle with collecting the wrecks...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-28 23:21:39 UTC
HACs are fit for c1-2.
zealot is prob best.
that said, a drake/cane/harb are better.

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MethodAnarchy
Sanity's Refuge
#13 - 2012-03-28 23:30:11 UTC
Zealot is the way to go. I used this for a while, much more fun than a BC. I couldn't do the tougher C3 anoms personally, but the easier ones were possible once you learned the spawns. I normally just stuck to C2s though. Could do all C2 anoms no problem.

From: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/22002-Zealot-Class-3-Sleepers.html
[Zealot, Zealot: Class 3 Sleepers]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
True Sansha Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Large Capacitor Battery II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/22002-Zealot-Class-3-Sleepers.html#ixzz1qSOwvqTd
discordigant
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-03-29 01:13:08 UTC
Splodger wrote:
c1 drake / any t3
c2 c drake / any t3
c3 tengu ftw




Fixed it for you..


Seriously though when we had a low class hole new people come in they either fit these up or start training them.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-29 01:39:43 UTC
MethodAnarchy wrote:
Zealot is the way to go. I used this for a while, much more fun than a BC. I couldn't do the tougher C3 anoms personally, but the easier ones were possible once you learned the spawns. I normally just stuck to C2s though. Could do all C2 anoms no problem.

From: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/22002-Zealot-Class-3-Sleepers.html
[Zealot, Zealot: Class 3 Sleepers]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
True Sansha Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Large Capacitor Battery II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



what's with the plate?

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MethodAnarchy
Sanity's Refuge
#16 - 2012-03-29 01:55:42 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:


what's with the plate?

Buffer. You'll die in C3s the first time you screw up transversal on a sleeper bs without it. Might not need it for C2s I suppose. Never tried.
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#17 - 2012-03-29 20:36:52 UTC
Passive sheild tank dominix with sentry drones will eat through c2's with ease. ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-30 04:41:05 UTC
Zaltone wrote:
Passive sheild tank dominix with sentry drones will eat through c2's with ease. ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


Too much a PITA to manage when they start attacking the sentries IMO. However, if you insist on doing it in a subcruiser ship, and are willing to put up with the PITA of managing drones (that like to be primaried), you can do the same thing in a gila.

-Arazel
Saladin Boneslash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-03-30 16:01:23 UTC
If you plan to kite everything, don't forget about the incoming DPS from the sentry guns. There is no kiting those things, and they do decent dps. I tried to loot a wreck (someone who died to the site) in my stealth bomber once. The wreck was over 150k from the guns. I was lazy about it and didn't run up aligned and ready to do the quick loot + warp. I was decloaked long enough for the gun to target me and got insta-popped.
Svodola Darkfury
Cloak and Daggers
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-03-30 22:47:38 UTC
C2 or under can be done in BC, Assault Frigate, HAC easily with correct fits and/or bonuses.

For example, in Wolf-Rayet Star systems I use an enyo because of the damage bonus to small weapons; easily speed/sig tank the damage while putting out 400-500 dps depending on which class of Wolf-Rayet it is.

The EASIEST ship to use is a drake; 400 dps, 500 omni tank, cheap as dirt. Follow with an alt to salvage or bookmark your wrecks and warp back within 2 hours to clean.

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