EVE General Discussion

Ahh thats ok then. For a minute I thought you were trying to say that GSF shouldnt be allowed to play how they want to. You guys know what you have to do, make a more powerful force and stop them. It would be pretty easy really, since there are so many people in hisec, you would out blob any power bloc in the. If you got organised. If you had the willpower. IF.

If not, then sit tight, make more isk, complain more about how a small minority of players, a tiny (by comparison to the Eve population) number of people are commanding the game. You wont win using apathy.

I reported the situation as I saw it, there is nothing by way of my posting that suggests I want to defeat goons or be a part of some group that does. Like I said, this is dispassionate narrative, not whining and especially not from highsec. Come to think of it there is already an alliance attempting to tap the pent-up angst of highsec and I believe they are now CFC members themselves.

My main and three alts are all located in Aridia, there aren't too many of us living out here so you should have no trouble finding me if you so desire to put my skin in the game. Until that time I continue to post as a neutral party.

I'm free of drugs and alcohol doesn't help, I know it I've already tested and then, nothing.

Sorry.

I'm just going to leave this here.

This is propaganda. Creating sinister, ominous picture of the enemy: that they are actually a big threat to even the community itself! Making them look like heartless, evil monsters, who 'do things like pick on potentially suicidal players'. Propaganda right now, after all the events of past days, might even work. It is a well-thought strike, I have to admit.

Although, the way you exaggerate the truth is pretty hilarious. It made me smile.

Regarding this 'potentially suicidal player', whose name I'm not going to write although it is pretty clear that almost everyone who follow the forums know it: there is no proof that this person is actually suicidal in any way. Only thing we have, is his word: he told it to people who ganked his Mackinaw-alts and scammed him for money.

I'm not sure how I would react if I met a complete stranger that told me that he was suicidal, spelled more like as a threat, after I had ganked him several times. Imagine yourself in similar situation. What would you do?

Knowing people who suffer from severe depression, I find it unlikely that a person who is depressed in extreme levels, tells about it to a complete stranger. If you suffer from it, you tend to hide it, because you are ashamed of it - it might be extremely difficult to speak about it with your very best friend even. Perhaps a person who is seeking attention, could say such things out loud. In this case I find it very obvious: your 'potentially suicidal player' wanted to be pitied, so he could mine in peace in his internet spaceship game. This kind of behavior is not a sign of a complete mentally health human being however, pretty sure he was somewhat depressed and didn't have good self-esteem. But there are many people like that in this game: people who don't feel good about themselves, people who don't have all things in their real life going well. Yet this kind of people get griefed and mocked everyday in EVE. There are corporations and alliances specialized on this: to make people 'cry', because for them it is funny. Goons are not the only ones scamming people. There are many many others. It is because scamming and griefing is allowed in this game. But that is what makes this game 'hard'. I don't want my EVE to be like many other MMO's, where when you call someone 'stupid' you get banned.

In my opinion, it is not right to mock the mentioned person in public event. But how this incident has been exaggerated, how The Mittani has been treated (especially after he apologized)... it is no way in realistic scale. It isn't deserved.

It goes Something like

1.Bob where top dog

2.P'd everyone off and lost

3.GS become top dog

4 Goto 1

Nice OP, OP.

No more so than holding up a mirror is creating a distorted picture of reality.

To be fair i'd suggest that the goons have been doing this so long they are a mainstream part of the game. They arnt really coming up with new games. In a game of ultra capitaism, being aggressive and annoying people is kind of fitting in as far as i can tell.

I strongly support the OP's sentiments, as I have done since 2006, and more recently by raising these issues in a bid towards CSM in 2009. My attempt to run for CSM didn't pan out and I got a measly 100+ votes.

The element that plays in the particular style of Goonswarm represents a pathological element of human behaviour. We face that in the real world (and I'll happily called it Tea Party-ing), and the consequences for "the vulnerable" in the real world are severe, or even final. Now CCP has always claimed "there are no vulnerable" in Eve Online (or they should sod of and go play wow), and guess what - it turns out there still are. Maybe the really vulnerable do not have a place in Eve Online, and they have long since gone elsewhere (and taken their monthly revenues with them), so CCP now has bragging rights Eve Online is the meanest, baddest mofo MMO out there.

I really like Eve Online, mind you. It's a very nicely designed setting and very intellectually honest. It's a delicious Darwinian sandbox. But what these Goonoids and other assorted trolloids are doing can very easily be argued to be a pathology bringing down the game environment itself. The functional analogue in any system I'd best qualify as a "cancer".



And sure, being all carcenomic is an aspect of the real world too. Maybe some people are so mentally and morally handicapped that Eve Online offers them the perfect petri-dish environment to express their bestial side, to the point that they'd risk the game-play microcosm itself. This evolves excess of behavioural pathology has now become too toxic for the vessel it inhabits.

Now let me make a prediction - it isn't very difficult to find the people who habitually engage in this. They will persistently repeat "it's only a game" and then finally someone who has lost dearly in his or her internal mindframe through the predations of these people, and this person will do a little PI work. If you can crash an alliance through PI work, you can surely find someone's personal data doing the same. And mind you, this is just a prediction -

The consequences of this can and will and should be gruelling. One day a Goon-oid, or however you'd care label these people, will come home in the real world, and find his his appartment, his dog, his cats, his children or his wife subjected to a variant of the same kind of predations he or she perpetuated in Eve Online. Or himself or herself. And yes, that too will be in the news. One day soon we will see images recorded by a very disturbed vindictive individual perpetuated against an out-of-control gamer, as "an example" along the lines of "see what these bastards made me do".

And then the real world media will run with these images and that month Eve Online will lose more than half it's subscribers.

Evolution in action, I suppose.

And when writing this I realize my statement is only an observation. It won't make one iota of differece to CCP, who as a company is so stuck in it's self-reinforcing ideological groove they won't have the mental capacity to acknowledge this possibility. And it won't make one iota of difference to the Goon-oids, who will actually delight in this very idea thinking "holy ****, that would be so utterly cool",or something to that effect. Much like Beavis and Butthead snickering as they wheel an invalid in a wheelchair onto the highway.

The only remote solution I can see that Eve implements in the very long term, is to create more spaces/experiences in Eve Online empowering a new demographic of game participants and experiences of a more gregarious nature, so the percentage of people in Eve Online who come to have more "gregarious"-inclined experiences. Only by doing that can CCP make the game venue (and subscription model) more robust, empower the social-inclined, cultivate an infrastructure of judicial stability, or make the game more enjoyable for a mentally healthier balance of human beings.

But I am not counting on it.