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Ingame Griefing or Cyber Bullying ?

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Ai Shun
#41 - 2012-03-27 22:52:14 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
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"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


That was the one and only link I found that had that particular definition. All others seemed a bit broader.

Quote:
Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.[1] As it has become more common in society, particularly among young people, legislation and awareness campaigns have arisen to combat it.


That is Wikipedia. Which links back to the originator of the term, Bill Belsey.

Quote:
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey


Most of the focus is on younger people, simply because they are not usually mature enough to deal with these types of things. Adults are expected to know how to handle it / shrug it off. This becomes a bit more complex when dealing with someone that has a mental illness though; so I'm not sure.
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-03-27 23:00:57 UTC
Bear in mind that the Mittani has also been stalked, called, threatened, his parents threatened, his place of work called, and all sorts of other pretty severe stuff. Hell, someone threatened to kill his dog. There's never been any outrage about any of that. This is just people jumping on the bandwagon because it's against Mittani and anyone who pretends otherwise is a hypocrite.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-03-27 23:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kattshiro
I'm pretty sure no one is condoning those acts against him... If they are then they're dicks.
One bad act does not excuse another. Also given his role, and how it was caught. Makes things a tad different. But he apologized so IMO issue needs to die...as there was no actual harm done near as I can tell.
Ai Shun
#44 - 2012-03-27 23:06:03 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Bear in mind that the Mittani has also been stalked, called, threatened, his parents threatened, his place of work called, and all sorts of other pretty severe stuff. Hell, someone threatened to kill his dog. There's never been any outrage about any of that.


I sincerely hope he reported that to the authorities and to CCP to ensure those who did that was dealt with appropriately. I heard about it from Xython yesterday and said pretty much the same.

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This is just people jumping on the bandwagon because it's against Mittani and anyone who pretends otherwise is a hypocrite.


Rubbish. There are people who are simply disgusted by that type of behaviour and who wouldn't use the excuse of a video game to hide behind it.

Why are you using a wrong to try and make another wrong right?
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#45 - 2012-03-27 23:06:08 UTC
Cyber Bullying is so low and everybody should stop doing it at once.
After everybody has stopped doing it, they should immediately engage in Cyber Genocide.

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#46 - 2012-03-27 23:26:42 UTC
America and UK collectively lost it's balls roughly in the years of 1990-1994.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-03-27 23:28:35 UTC
I find it hard to accept anyone could be dumb enough to commit suicide over a video game.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-03-27 23:29:11 UTC
Cyberbullying is illegal in many countries. If it leads to suicide, the person is responsible.

Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you can do what you want. EVE is hard, but there's a difference between killing someone and getting on with your day; or scamming someone and getting on with your day; and repeatedly harassing someone with messages, threats and ganking them as a targetted attack.

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Dhorion Pyler
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-03-27 23:32:55 UTC
I think everyone completely missed the boat on this one. The fault lies with CCP for not screening materials for THEIR fanfest. I go to conventions all the time IRL and no one just gets up and says what they want b/c they are not the only ones liable. If CCP had been more rigorous with the presentations this would have been flagged and no problems would have arisen.
Ai Shun
#50 - 2012-03-27 23:41:18 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
I find it hard to accept anyone could be dumb enough to commit suicide over a video game.


I don't think it is such a long stretch.

I've had friends that suffered from severe depression and there were times that damn ... it was not a pretty experience. My ex suffers from it and the tortured phone calls at 3am in the morning talking about suicide - yeah. Those are things best handled by the authorities and people who can assist people with severe problems like that. All I'm saying though is that real depression is nothing like a bad day at the office.

At the same time, I've had friends that get very involved in their online games and who form a real attachment to those activities. It seems reasonable natural to me in a scenario where you create an avatar to represent yourself, invest time and energy into building it up and use it as your mechanism to communicate with a larger society than just that on your PC.

Combine the two and you could end up with a situation like that. I don't know if this is one, but I certainly don't want to find out.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#51 - 2012-03-28 00:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Bear in mind that the Mittani has also been stalked, called, threatened, his parents threatened, his place of work called, and all sorts of other pretty severe stuff. Hell, someone threatened to kill his dog. There's never been any outrage about any of that. This is just people jumping on the bandwagon because it's against Mittani and anyone who pretends otherwise is a hypocrite.


I'm against harrassment of any kind no matter who it is. And that includes people harrasing Alex, mittens or whatever you want to call him now.

Sadly, EVE has evolved (or devolved) into this sort of hardcore game where we are expected HTFU and harden up a bit. It's a game. IT'S A GAME!

Behind the actions, words, and behavior of each toon is a human being. So there really is no true definitive separation b/w a toon and a person. People mock said miner because he couldn't make a distinction b/w reality or ingame. The poor guy was going through a divorce and immersed himself into EVE to escape the daily pains of his current reality. That's the deep end of the immersion spectrum.

But there are alot of people who struggle with making the immersion on much more smaller levels. Consider the following;

The FC who emos on a noob because he made a mistake in fleet and can't sleep at night because his fleet lost the battle
The miner who loses a retriever due to a gank and rages for a couple hours on comms
The CEO who spends large number of hours running his corp and enduring the stress while sacrificing real life priorities such as a job.

Each individual (or is it toon?) is subjected to a spectrum of emotions that transcends the game and seeps into his reality.

Immersion much.

People need to get a grip...on reality.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-28 00:11:21 UTC
a new thread on a new topic

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

PaTrond
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-03-28 00:28:55 UTC
Cyberbullying is illegal in Iceland. Icelandic law: http://www.althingi.is/altext/121/s/0100.html and in some occasions http://www.althingi.is/altext/125/s/0399.html

We'll just have wait and see... CCP is at the case.
Dhorion Pyler
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-03-28 00:58:47 UTC
PaTrond wrote:
Cyberbullying is illegal in Iceland. Icelandic law: http://www.althingi.is/altext/121/s/0100.html and in some occasions http://www.althingi.is/altext/125/s/0399.html

We'll just have wait and see... CCP is at the case.


You should translate the page and actually read what it says. Its very specific about the type of discrimination... lol. Thanks for clearing that up.
Marcus Shamonomonom
Gift of Organs Donation Service
#55 - 2012-03-28 01:09:08 UTC
Hmm, couldn't the broke-ass bounty system be considered a form of cyber bulling then. Seeing as it is a supported way for a player to entice other players to stalk and murder someone else's character and that character's property?

How bad will the player feel when that causes the bounty to flip out and harm themselves? Does that mean CCP should continue to support it? Will the player placing the bounty be banned for it?

And don't say that it will never happen, because humans make the dumbest people.

Disregard females Aquire currency

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-03-28 01:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
I don't like this new 'manufactured outrage' scheme by the usual whiny scrubs on this forum not out of any affection for the Mittani but because eve-o forums are even weepier and gayer then usual. talking about how some law meant to protect 13 year old girls is meant to shelter eve's highsec manchildren even moreso then they already are.
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-03-28 02:45:51 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

Why are you using a wrong to try and make another wrong right?



Why is the public (pubbies, one might say) so intent on making half a dozen threads raging about one wrong but not another?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#58 - 2012-03-28 03:00:20 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Bear in mind that the Mittani has also been stalked, called, threatened, his parents threatened, his place of work called, and all sorts of other pretty severe stuff. Hell, someone threatened to kill his dog. There's never been any outrage about any of that.


There's never been any evidence of any of that.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-03-28 03:07:30 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
If i call you a dumb ****, and leave it at that.

Its not bullying, its just an insult.

If i do it every day over and over again.

Then it becomes bullying.


You're an adult. Find a way to deal with it.

**** sake, you bully children, not adults.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-03-28 03:10:43 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
wrote:
"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

Wut u doin comin round this way with all your fancy-pants facts
We dun like ur kind round here

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP