Ships & Modules

they already have very high sensor strength and just 1 eccm (again screwing over shield titans) almost doubles that

and in the end you have just glossed over the problem, should you not be able to correctly put some ewar strat into action youve still lost your fleet to something broken, just now you have some half cocked reason as a glossy excuse.

Another benefit to moving away from the Turret/Launcher Titan to a DD only Titan is that now we have dread fleets required to Hit POS' again.

We want reasons to use others ships too.

Fair point. As long as you continue to iterate balance on Titans, this is what everyone is asking for. I know we'd all prefer solutions sooner rather than later, but provided the changes make EVE a better game, that's what everyone should want.

I didn't mean to come off implying you did not understand game mechanics. I posted to clarify how ships are being currently used on the battlefield. Given the somewhat heated nature of this issue at times, I can see how this might come off poorly, and I do not mean for that.

I am trying to stick to proposing changes which do not require the addition of new modules or ship roles, in line with the current changes and the reversed change (which is to say, direct adjustments to tracking numbers, max targets, and the removed scan resolution change). The only reason I delved into the Leviathan discussion was because it seems to function with the desired role currently on the modern battlefield with current formulas. It wasn't to suggest that you were unfamiliar with the damage formula of missiles, but that the way that damage formula was being applied by Leviathans does fine damage to capital ships and not sub capitals, given how fleet engagements go down.

-edited for clarity of my last point.

so this

when are you going to fix the titan bridge bug

True, I'm not saying that this shouldn't be going hand in hand with a change to tracking and locked targets. I mainly was putting this forward as a method of addressing the difficulty of holding down Titans given their ability to blap dictors and hictors. If half a dozen or so ships with scrams fit can act as a substitute for one of these ships, engagements, especially in low sec, become less likely to be consequence free.

Current Titan sensor strength is somewhat of a moot number anyway, given their electronic warfare immunity. Just as the scan resolution change was balanced considering sensor strength, I'm sure any consideration of this idea would account for Sensor Boosters, Cap Boosters, Tracking Computers, and ECCM.

i propose that any titannerf has to clear the "titan-nerf-test" which consists of the following:

2 full fleets of bs-sized ships attacking 50 titans sitting on a pos (that is not stronted). No warping allowed. If the bs are not able to kill the titans and pos, this nerf is not enough.

Incorrect. Its volley at full is 153k. Its volley at half (with 3x TP and 2x web in a "perfect" situation) is half that. Our Maelstrom fitting is approx 118k EHP, so even in this "perfect" situation, it still does not one-volley a Maelstrom.

It would be equalised if support ships incl. players could dock in carriers and could cyno with them.

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

Battles which are effected by these masses of titans are between entities, which both can afford to lose dozens of these.

Ranges:
Titans can only inflict their dread-compareable DPS at relativly short ranges (+ Doomsday all 10 Minutes).
Motherships can inflict their fighterbomber dps at over 200km where titans won't hit them at all (except DDs)

DPS/Tank:
Titans that are fitted for rapes, are not fitted to max tank. So they are realativly vuernable
Motherships can always carry their nearly titan tank and to unleash their imense DPS


Signature:
Titans **** these Drakes and Maelstroms because they have a huge signature. Shieldtanks (Maels/Drakes) do have a big signature which enables these tracking fitted/booster boosted titans (!) to hit subcaps at all. Aditionally, these perma mwding drakes also have a very big signature from their mwd-> easy to hit for titans. So there is a reason why these titans are effective at all.

You have to take on compromisses with Titans to kill supportfleets and have to put them into great danger of being lost.

Some entities made wrong decisions by not using their recources in the past to build a suiting fleet for their upcomming enemy. There never was a doubt how many Titans and Motherships are around and could be fielded against them. That these ships would knock on their door one day was expectable. Now these entities shoud should have to deal with their decissions they made in the past.

At least if this is a sandbox, where your decision matters and can have an influence on the entire universe. The ballance is fine.