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Berta Armstrong
Dark Star Enterprises
#1821 - 2012-03-27 14:21:06 UTC
Well, even if the apology is sincere, thing that only Alexander Gianturco himself knows, the deed cannot be undone. As it was something public, it must be evaluated under that perspective.

And what he did goes beyond insulting someone or embarrassing himself and the EVE Online Community.

It puts CCP in a difficult position. I don't think people's opinions will matter much on what they decide, as what happened was really clear and leaves little room for interpretation. If they care at all about what people are saying, I'd say this thread is worth nothing, as the ones supporting The Mittani are in a 99% of times from his coalition and almost the opposite happens for the ones asking for his resign.

But if you take a look on what some sites (just some for now) outside EVE are saying, their thoughts are quite unanimous. It was something really pathetic and offensive, and words like that should never come out from a person representing that amount of players, and in this case even the game itself.

Apologizing and moving on is ok and exactly what should happen in a civilized world where people sometimes make mistakes. But this mistake is serious enough to have consequences too. What remains to be seen is if CCP are brave enough to deliver those consequences.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1822 - 2012-03-27 14:21:39 UTC
Molly Argonaut wrote:
Sad day for Eve..

Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.

Goons leave mittani madness...


Wrong number of syllables.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#1823 - 2012-03-27 14:22:12 UTC
Is this true that Americans have problems with alcohol ? PirateBear
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1824 - 2012-03-27 14:23:30 UTC
Razzor Death wrote:
Well after 100 pages of basically the select few try to hards its more than clear this comes down to people with an axe to grind. Oh and jade all your likes come from the role playing forum section where people can cash in pretend hand jobs for a like in your pretend space brothel.


Actually very few "likes" come from the roleplaying section because roleplayers don't like to "like" their rp enemies (they are funny like that.) But thanks for the continuing evidence of goonswarm quality posting and lying about things. Seriously, take a breath, pour yourself a cup of tea, and go and smell the clean fresh air and have a think about why your defense of Alex Gianturco is pretty senseless beyond a childishly partizan playground gang mentality.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Mana Potion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1825 - 2012-03-27 14:25:18 UTC
Molly Argonaut wrote:
Sad day for Eve..

Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.

Goons leave mittani madness...



Yes Mittani, we would like to hear you re-sing your apology... you will recover your rep by singing your apology ... again... wait, I didn't hear you sing it the first time....
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1826 - 2012-03-27 14:25:21 UTC
Molly Argonaut wrote:
Sad day for Eve..

Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.

Goons leave mittani madness...


I agree. Make Mittens resing on mumble.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1827 - 2012-03-27 14:25:49 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Is this true that Americans have problems with alcohol ? PirateBear


Of course. The Americans can be quite the feral brutes, but they have uses to the English Gentleman.
Tamir Lenk
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1828 - 2012-03-27 14:27:23 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Razzor Death wrote:
Well after 100 pages of basically the select few try to hards its more than clear this comes down to people with an axe to grind. Oh and jade all your likes come from the role playing forum section where people can cash in pretend hand jobs for a like in your pretend space brothel.


Actually very few "likes" come from the roleplaying section because roleplayers don't like to "like" their rp enemies (they are funny like that.) But thanks for the continuing evidence of goonswarm quality posting and lying about things. Seriously, take a breath, pour yourself a cup of tea, and go and smell the clean fresh air and have a think about why your defense of Alex Gianturco is pretty senseless beyond a childishly partizan playground gang mentality.


Thanks for the tip. While the kettle heats up, can I get one of those space hand-jobs? PST
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1829 - 2012-03-27 14:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ExhumeToConsume
Le Cardinal wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:

So post count makes you an eve player representative?
Or is it (former) CSM membership? Doesn't that argument mean that The Mittani actually speaks for the *current* playerbase?

The final paragraph gives it away though. You think you speak for the players because, well, you think you speak for the players.


Well in opposite to you, he manage to write something sensible. All you do is spew out garbage. Instead, make an attempt to write a good counter argument instead of showing the community your lack of intellectual capacity like 90% of the goons in this thread.


If by "sensible" you mean "self-serving and contradictory", then I agree!

Le Cardinal wrote:
As a member of the Eve community i sure prefer to read his replies over yours, because your replies lack any form of content other than trying to belittle him. Whether i agree with him or not is a different case. However, he has proven on several cases that he knows a bit about Eve. You havent.


If contesting his claim to "represent" anyone/thing but himself by personal mandate is an attempt to "belittle", then it would appear you are unable to recognise hubris. Not surprising for a Raiden(dot) member.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1830 - 2012-03-27 14:28:34 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.


Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer?


Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name.

But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.



You don't speak for me.


perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
#1831 - 2012-03-27 14:30:57 UTC
Chairman of my Heart!
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1832 - 2012-03-27 14:31:18 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.


Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer?


Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name.

But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.



You don't speak for me.


perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.


Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#1833 - 2012-03-27 14:32:05 UTC
Mana Potion wrote:
Molly Argonaut wrote:
Sad day for Eve..

Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.

Goons leave mittani madness...



Yes Mittani, we would like to hear you re-sing your apology... you will recover your rep by singing your apology ... again... wait, I didn't hear you sing it the first time....


I want The Mittani to stay, he was and is a great player advocate in the CSM, but it would be nice to hear him sing the Star Spangled Banner :)

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1834 - 2012-03-27 14:33:54 UTC
One of the biggest problems with what happened at Fan Fest is not that it confirms everything everyone ELSE has said about him, it confirms what he's said about himself all along. While goons have been quick to blow off his statements as being "in character" and "not the real Alex", he has never taken that position. He has repeatedly called himself a sadist in the forums and in podcasts, now in his apology he claims the opposite. He has insisted that how he plays "The Mittani" is a spin-off of how he is in real life. Now he insists that's not true. It's now clear that this guy will waffle at the drop of a hat to pander to whoever he needs to in whatever way benefits him at that time.

I think CCP was willing to go along with his shenanigans as long as it wasn't damaging. And Alex was willing to push the envelope of "what's allowable" another step as CCP failed to react to the last test. However, I think you'll soon see that those days are over.

Bottom line, he can't be trusted. But worst of all from the Icelandic perspective, he can't hold his liquor.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Dranchela
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1835 - 2012-03-27 14:34:59 UTC
This thread will reach 150 pages (at least) before the mods decide to close it, apparently.


Face it folks: some of y'all are taking the whole thing far too seriously especially in light of the fact that the "offender" in question posted a well-written and apparently sincere apology.


Grab a coke, a smile and continue to blow up spaceships or cut rocks with your 18-wheelers-in-space.
Zhade Lezte
#1836 - 2012-03-27 14:35:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Le Cardinal wrote:
As far as me concerned that looks like a decent enough apology. He probably should step down as chairman for the sake of the community and not to silence the drivel from vultures. Wether he remains a CMS or not i dont really care about.

If its a troll, its a good one. Personally i dont think it is.


Oh geeze I'm (mostly) agreeing with a Raiden dot what has happened to this threadnaught.

(realtalk I recognize that all people of an alliance are the same as my alliance's propaganda on them yadda yadda)

The chairman is a silly title that only holds sway as having a fancy title makes people respect you more politically. In some ways he's already lost a lot of sway with CCP and I question whether resigning from chairman will change anything. Seems like a good idea if it would help CCP's PR, I'm not sure what portions of the "community" you are talking about. I'm pretty ambivalent about the chairmanship, and really opposed about Mitanni resigning/being kicked from the CSM since he represents a lot of players' views about what the game should be like, mine included!

Mostly I'm just IRL mad over people who have only experienced Mitanni's in-game persona claiming that the apology from Alex is false. I can understand how someone could convince themselves of that but sheesh guys, there's no tinfoil conspiracy of a bunch of brainwashed goons brainlessly supporting Dear Leader as much as there are people who actually know him enough to believe the apology. At least try to watch some videos or speeches from him or something before making such a judgment. (inc. witty troll response about how they watched this one video of him giving an alliance panel presentation).

But whatever, it is a terrible thing Mitanni has done. To me it's an acceptable apology and recompensation to the victim. Others may think it's not enough, others may think nothing is ever going to be enough because they hate the individual so viciously they'll use any means they have to cut him down, whatever. I'm checking out of this thread and ending the fight against people taking stuff out of context and flatout misrepresenting him like the fine fellow who said Mittens was trying to use alcohol as an excuse for what he said to the person (those of you about to attack this, reread the OP. Carefully.)

There's nothing at all wrong with being upset about this or about what it may mean to CCP's legal worries, but for the latter I'd let CCP's lawyers figure things out for them instead of trying to help them with your expertise gained from looking up law on Wikipedia.

Peace.

Lorren Canada wrote:
Everyone who unironically posted in this thread should go kill themselves.


Someone hand me my spacesword :royofca:
Il Reverendo
Forty Two
#1837 - 2012-03-27 14:36:25 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

Words


Well that was step one, just about.

Where's that step two you mentioned?
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1838 - 2012-03-27 14:38:19 UTC
The official "The Mittani" Video Appology via Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Space King
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1839 - 2012-03-27 14:38:41 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:

Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?


Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start.

Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.

And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.

I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la).

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#1840 - 2012-03-27 14:38:49 UTC
Il Reverendo wrote:
The Mittani wrote:

Words


Well that was step one, just about.

Where's that step two you mentioned?


Sing the Star Spangled Banner?

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill