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Louis's epic skill guide v1.1.

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#1 - 2012-03-06 10:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
These Skills are useful for any ship or profession and should be trained to IV as soon as you can :
  • Electronics (5 percent extra CPU/level)
  • Engineering (5 percent extra powergrid/level)
  • Energy Management (increases Capacitor capacity by 5 percent per level)
  • Energy Systems Operation (decreases Capacitor recharge time by 5 percent per level)
  • Mechanic (5 percent bonus to structure hit points per skill level)
  • Afterburner (10 percent bonus to Afterburner duration per skill level) - Train to III, only train to IV if sure, see discussion in thread.
  • Navigation (5 percent bonus to sub-warp ship velocity per skill level)
  • Acceleration Control (5 percent Bonus to Afterburner and Microwarpdrive speed boost per skill level)
  • Evasive Maneuvering (5 percent improved ship agility for all ships per skill level)
  • Fuel Conservation (10 percent reduction in Afterburner capacitor needs per skill level)
  • Warp Drive Operation (10 percent reduction in the Capacitor need of initiating warp)
  • Spaceship Command (2 percent improved ship agility for all ships per skill level)

    • Weapons
    Requires Gunnery II
  • Weapon Upgrades (5 percent reduction in the CPU needs of weapon turrets, launchers and smartbombs per skill level)
    • Train this to V, afterwards train
  • Advanced Weapon Upgrades (2 percent reduction in the powergrid needs of weapon turrets and launchers per per skill level)
    • to IV

    Shield Tanking
  • Shield Management (5 percent bonus to shield capacity per skill level)
  • Shield Operation (5 percent reduction in shield recharge time per skill level)
  • Shield Upgrades (5 percent reduction in shield upgrade powergrid needs per skill level)

    • Armour Tanking
  • Repair Systems (5 percent reduction in repair systems duration per skill level)
  • Hull Upgrades (5 percent bonus to armor hit points per skill level)

    • Drones (can be used on most ships)
  • Drones (Can operate 1 drone per skill level)
  • Scout Drone Operation (Can use Light and Medium Scout Drones, drone control range increased by 5000 meters per skill level)
    • Note that while there are ways to affect your ships's drones abilities and the drone control range, there is no way to increase the bandwidth of your ship.

    If you do missions you will get implants for storyline missions (after every 16th mission), but I recommend buying a full set of +3 (basic) Implants as soon as you have the isk.
  • Occular Filter (affects Perception)
  • Memory Augmentation (affects Memory)
  • Neural Boost (affects Willpower)
  • Cybernetic Subprocessor (affects Intelligence)
  • Social Adaptation Chip (affects Charisma)

    • You can use EVEMon or EVEHQ to make a training plan for your character.
    You can remap your characters attributes to maximize your training speed.
    For example, you can boost your Intelligence and Memory and train the skills that require those attributes first, then Perception and Willpower and finally switch to a more balanced set of attributes.
    Note that you should set Charisma to minimum if you do not specialize in specialize in Corporation Management, Trade, Social or Leadership skills.
    The EVEMON 1.7.2. skill plan can be downloaded here (48 days no implants no remaps).
    Mike Whiite
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #2 - 2012-03-06 10:50:38 UTC
    I think you forgot Shield upgrades.
    Louis deGuerre
    The Dark Tribe
    #3 - 2012-03-06 10:56:24 UTC
    Mike Whiite wrote:
    I think you forgot Shield upgrades.


    Not technically essential for Shield Tanking and I got to draw the line somewhere to fit it all into one post :P
    In practice you will train this of course, but my point here is that the two listed shield skills will be of benefit to an armor tanker as well even if he is not using any shield-related modules.
    Field Artillery
    Dust 515
    #4 - 2012-03-06 11:11:34 UTC
    mentioning drones without drone interfacing?, consider adding drone interfacing instead of the +3km control range talk (if you don't want to make the list too long).
    And the reasoning behind training afterburner to 3 (yes only 3) is unlocking high-speed maneuvering (= MWDs)

    nice list otherwise o/
    Tamiya Sarossa
    Resistance is Character Forming
    #5 - 2012-03-06 11:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiya Sarossa
    Just noting that the Afterburner skill can have some downsides on dual-prop setups (one of the only skills in the game where it's not strictly beneficial to have higher), and given the low cap requirements of afterburners I'd question putting their related skills on a 'train-to-IV-immediately' list. Not to quibble but it can be a pain at times.

    EDIT: as per above I wouldn't train it past three
    Grikath
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #6 - 2012-03-06 11:14:23 UTC
    Louis deGuerre wrote:
    Mike Whiite wrote:
    I think you forgot Shield upgrades.


    Not technically essential for Shield Tanking and I got to draw the line somewhere to fit it all into one post :P
    In practice you will train this of course, but my point here is that the two listed shield skills will be of benefit to an armor tanker as well even if he is not using any shield-related modules.


    Then you shouldn't call it shield tanking. what you describe is a shield buffer which really doesn't help a lot.

    Highsec isn't "Safe".  Neither is it a playground for bullies and bottomfeeders. So stop complaining and start playing the game already.
    Louis deGuerre
    The Dark Tribe
    #7 - 2012-03-06 11:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
    Grikath wrote:
    Louis deGuerre wrote:
    Mike Whiite wrote:
    I think you forgot Shield upgrades.


    Not technically essential for Shield Tanking and I got to draw the line somewhere to fit it all into one post :P
    In practice you will train this of course, but my point here is that the two listed shield skills will be of benefit to an armor tanker as well even if he is not using any shield-related modules.


    Then you shouldn't call it shield tanking. what you describe is a shield buffer which really doesn't help a lot.


    You've convinced me and I will add Shield upgrades.

    Field Artillery wrote:
    mentioning drones without drone interfacing?, consider adding drone interfacing instead of the +3km control range talk (if you don't want to make the list too long).


    While the 20 percent/level bonus of Drone Interfacing is indeed absolutely necessary for serious drone users, it does require Drones V to train and thus I consider it beyond the basic skills set.
    However, the EW drone talk is a bit advanced too and I will cut that out too. For the record this was it

    Louis deGuerre wrote:

    Protip: If you train Drones to V you can train Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing to IV which gives another 3000 metres drone control range bonus per level in addition to letting you use the Electronic Warfare Drones.
    Mike Whiite
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #8 - 2012-03-06 11:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Whiite
    Quote:
    Not technically essential for Shield Tanking and I got to draw the line somewhere to fit it all into one post :P
    In practice you will train this of course, but my point here is that the two listed shield skills will be of benefit to an armor tanker as well even if he is not using any shield-related modules.


    I disagree, fitting problems are quite common as a starting player.

    Shield upgrades trains faster and earlier than advanced weapon upgrades (needs Weapon Upgrades 5) and is one of the few skills to remove stress of you powergrid.

    but in the end it's Louis's ecpic skill guide

    Edit: nevermind you where already convinced
    Liam Mirren
    #9 - 2012-03-06 11:42:58 UTC
    Appreciate the effort but there's 2 things I'm missing, thing is ofcourse that there'll always be things missing in a short list but still.

    1) targeting, getting that to 2-3 makes life a lot easier for ppl who choose to do combat
    2) even though you aim to list specific skills it would be handy if you'd mention support skills for things like gunnery and missiles. I know that wasn't your outset but simply stating that they exist (and how to find them) while conveying the importance of them would make your guide more complete.

    Minor gripes, no more.

    Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
    Shinae Rawlinn
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #10 - 2012-03-25 11:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shinae Rawlinn
    Great little list, I'll be sure as a 4-day old to put this into my EVEmon queue.

    +1 to the likes for Louis.
    mxzf
    Shovel Bros
    #11 - 2012-03-25 12:51:03 UTC
    Louis deGuerre wrote:
    While the 20 percent/level bonus of Drone Interfacing is indeed absolutely necessary for serious drone users, it does require Drones V to train and thus I consider it beyond the basic skills set.
    However, the EW drone talk is a bit advanced too and I will cut that out too. For the record this was it


    Drones 5 is part of the basic skill set though. When suggesting fits for people, it's flat out assumed that everyone except special-purpose alts (cyno, trade, etc) has Drones 5. Everyone.

    Also, you're missing Tactical Shield Manipulation 4 from the Shield Tanking list, and Shield Compensation (for active tanks) too. Especially Tactical Shield Manipulation 4 (not 5 though) is extremely important for shield tanking in any ship other than a full-passive brick (like the NH or Rattler).
    Lost Greybeard
    Drunken Yordles
    #12 - 2012-03-27 04:30:37 UTC
    mxzf wrote:
    Drones 5 is part of the basic skill set though. When suggesting fits for people, it's flat out assumed that everyone except special-purpose alts (cyno, trade, etc) has Drones 5. Everyone.


    Given that this is posted in New Citizens', I suspect this is a list of skills easily trained to 4 on a new character before you start pushing things to 5.
    Louis deGuerre
    The Dark Tribe
    #13 - 2012-03-27 07:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
    Lost Greybeard wrote:
    mxzf wrote:
    Drones 5 is part of the basic skill set though. When suggesting fits for people, it's flat out assumed that everyone except special-purpose alts (cyno, trade, etc) has Drones 5. Everyone.


    Given that this is posted in New Citizens', I suspect this is a list of skills easily trained to 4 on a new character before you start pushing things to 5.


    Yes that is indeed the point. It is difficult to draw a line between basic and intermediate and beyond, but this is pretty close I think. I also recommend the ingame certificate system (especially the core certificates) as a decent guide to skill training.

    mxzf wrote:
    Drones 5 is part of the basic skill set though. When suggesting fits for people, it's flat out assumed that everyone except special-purpose alts (cyno, trade, etc) has Drones 5. Everyone.

    Also, you're missing Tactical Shield Manipulation 4 from the Shield Tanking list, and Shield Compensation (for active tanks) too. Especially Tactical Shield Manipulation 4 (not 5 though) is extremely important for shield tanking in any ship other than a full-passive brick (like the NH or Rattler).


    For a full passive or active shield tanking set you would train additional skills. You would also train armor compensation skills for good armor tanking.

    Most beginner ships won't let you use 5 drones so Drones V is not an essential skill level. Anyone serious about drones will eventually put millions of skillpoints in drones of course.
    When you start flying battleships leet drone skills are almost essential anyway as the big guns/missiles will be very ineffective against small ships, so you need drones to handle them or die the death of a thousand pinpricks.
    Toshiro GreyHawk
    #14 - 2012-03-27 10:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
    Nice list.

    Everyone's going to have a few little differences in how they do things - but this is a very good list for a beginner. Anything they train in this area will stay with them for pretty much any ship they use in the rest of their EVE career.


    Without adding any of my own little preferences - I'll point out some of the reasons some of these skill areas are important:


    One thing a lot of people miss about the Navigation skills - is that they pretty much all effect your Cap usage - either directly - or by letting you accomplish something faster and there by use less cap to do it. One thing a lot of rookies have trouble with - is running out of cap when they try to use their AB's and shield boosters/armor repairers at the same time. Good Navigation Skills can mitigate that.

    [Edit to correct information mentioned below].

    With the ability to repair your own armor - even for a Shield Tanker - you can just fit an Armor Repairer and/or Hull Repairer to your ship when you come back to the station - and fix your own hull & armor as well, thus saving you the cost of having the station do it - if it even can.


    One thing about the shield skills - is that even for an armor tanker - it is good to have these trained up. For one thing - most people use industrials - and with the low slots on those ships taken up by cargo hold expanders - (other than specialty fits) they pretty much default to shield tanking. The other thing is - again even if you are an armor tanker - they have to get through your shields to get to your armor - so anything that slows that down (and doesn't require a module slot that splits your tank) is of benefit. If you are running missions - then you may NEVER get into your armor - and thus any shield skills you've trained up will let you go on to the next zone sooner with your ships defenses at full capacity.

    As to Drone skills - one of the first skills a rookie should train - is Drones and Scout Drone operation. Even trained to Level I (which is done in minutes) they will let your rookie ship field a drone - and not only do ALL rookie ships have drones but those drones are a major part of what little fire power these ships have. Of course - your Gallente pilots will want to train Drones to Level II so they get both the drones the Velator can carry. One of the things Veteran pilots will do now and then for a lark - is to see just what they can do with a rookie ship. With full Drone Skills - you'd be surprised at the rats you can pop with a rookie ship ... you just ... need to be careful about how much damage you take ...

    .
    Louis deGuerre
    The Dark Tribe
    #15 - 2012-03-27 12:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
    Good points, but...

    Toshiro GreyHawk wrote:
    The Repair Systems skill has a similar effect to the Navigation Skills for Armor Tankers - by allowing you to get your self repaired quicker - and thus need less cap to do the job.


    ...a higher Repair Systems skill will decrease the repair cycle duration, increasing your armor tank efficiency as you repair faster, but increasing the cap usage, as each repair cycle will eat cap and the cycles are shorter.
    Total cap usage will be the same of course, but cap will be drained faster the faster your repair.
    Sin Pew
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #16 - 2012-03-27 12:17:42 UTC
    Wish I saw that kind of guide in the first days, instead of popping SP all over the place and painfully grinding the core skills now.
    :sadpanda:

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    J'Poll
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #17 - 2012-03-27 12:24:50 UTC
    Louis deGuerre wrote:
    Good points, but...

    Toshiro GreyHawk wrote:
    The Repair Systems skill has a similar effect to the Navigation Skills for Armor Tankers - by allowing you to get your self repaired quicker - and thus need less cap to do the job.


    ...a higher Repair Systems skill will decrease the repair cycle duration, increasing your armor tank efficiency as you repair faster, but increasing the cap usage, as each repair cycle will eat cap and the cycles are shorter.
    Total cap usage will be the same of course, but cap will be drained faster the faster your repair.


    True,

    But his point:, low skilled pilot needs to run the repair module for 3 minutes to repair, that is 3 minutes that you run the repair module together with any other active module, so you have double cap usage for that whole 3 minutes.

    When a player is better skilled they can for instance repair the same amount of damage in say 1 minute (with same cap required to do so, same amount of cycles but quicker). This means you only double drain your capacitor for 1 minute instead of 3 minutes, means you are less cap heavy for most of the time.

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    Sin Pew
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #18 - 2012-03-27 13:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Pew
    Just out of curiosity, I've read some cons about afterburner trained above 3, but I couldn't really understand the issue, I just remember it was about dual props and many people said they wished they didn't train AB to 5...
    EDIT: nvm, it was mentionned earlier in the thread *rubs eyes*

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    Toshiro GreyHawk
    #19 - 2012-03-28 12:32:26 UTC
    Louis deGuerre wrote:
    Good points, but...

    Toshiro GreyHawk wrote:
    The Repair Systems skill has a similar effect to the Navigation Skills for Armor Tankers - by allowing you to get your self repaired quicker - and thus need less cap to do the job.


    ...a higher Repair Systems skill will decrease the repair cycle duration, increasing your armor tank efficiency as you repair faster, but increasing the cap usage, as each repair cycle will eat cap and the cycles are shorter.
    Total cap usage will be the same of course, but cap will be drained faster the faster your repair.



    Guess I didn't know as much as I thought I did about that. Thanks for the correction.

    .
    TheBlueMonkey
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #20 - 2012-03-28 13:46:44 UTC
    Glad you said 4 and not 5.

    I hate it when people tell new players they NEED X Y and Z at lvl 5 ¬¬

    Also, all the other general gunnery skills help at some point, controlled burst etc.
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