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Ice mining in a mack - - - UPDATED TO INCLUDE HULKS
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Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#1 - 2012-03-21 02:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Byrrssa Crendraven
So, here's the scoop on the mackinaw -

Role Bonus:
100% bonus Ice Harvester yield but 25% penalty to ice harvester duration

I'm using 2 Ice harvester II's, 1 Ice Harvester upgrade II, and I have a fully skilled orca with tech II boosters in the fleet boosting me. I should be getting 4 ice every single rotation am I correct???

So, riddle me this, why is it that I sometimes only get 3??? Or, sometimes, I can watch the lasers go through 3 revolutions and they don't drop any ice what so ever into the cargo hold!!!! Turn it off and I get a notification that the laser shutdown because I didn't have enough room in my cargo hold.

Anyone else running into these issues???
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#2 - 2012-03-21 03:48:45 UTC
Are you making sure to empty the bay into the Orca every cycle? The Mackinaw can't hold two full cycles worth of ice by default, which would fit what you're describing...

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#3 - 2012-03-26 15:59:29 UTC
The Mack is outfitted with 2 Cargohold otpimization rigs, 1 cargohold expander II, and an ice harvester upgrade II. It will accept 2.5 rotations. But, it sometimes messes up before then. Such as, on the first rotation only having 3 ice instead of 4.

Sometimes, the lasers will make multiple rotations and not drop any ice in the hold.
Tina Mori
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#4 - 2012-03-26 22:49:43 UTC
Your cargohold is too small, fit 2 expanders


You fail to mention what level Exhumer skill you have trained (the higher the better, should be L4 at least)
Timbuck V
Breizh Punisher's
#5 - 2012-03-27 09:34:05 UTC
Byrrssa Crendraven wrote:


Or, sometimes, I can watch the lasers go through 3 revolutions and they don't drop any ice what so ever into the cargo hold!!!!

Anyone else running into these issues???


I have this issue too ( sometimes )

My fleet is 1 Orca + 2 mack fitted like yours (2.5 cycle )
Exhumer skill at 5 on the two mack pilots

And sometime I got one mack with 8 ice blocks and one with none Shocked, this doesn't happen so often,
I can't figure out , how and why it happens .........
turbine2
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-27 11:11:17 UTC
Byrrssa Crendraven wrote:

So, riddle me this, why is it that I sometimes only get 3??? Or, sometimes, I can watch the lasers go through 3 revolutions and they don't drop any ice what so ever into the cargo hold!!!! Turn it off and I get a notification that the laser shutdown because I didn't have enough room in my cargo hold.

Anyone else running into these issues???


The issue with ice not cycling to the hold until you stop the ice miner is an old one. I've not seen it drop 3 of the 4 before though.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#7 - 2012-03-28 03:16:55 UTC
Yeah...my exhumer skill is at 3...but, that shouldn't really make all that much of a difference. As for time wise, I'm in front of my computer at all times and 10km3 should be more than enough room so, the ice harvester upgrade is a better idea than another cargo expansion. Thanks for all the input. Now, if we could only get CCP to see this...
Marwolaeth Arglwydd
Alternate Powers
#8 - 2012-03-28 05:28:23 UTC
I've had this happen as well. But when I dock up they are in my cargo hold most of the time. Just doesnt seem to give me any icons or show that my hold is full.
Jack Gauge
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-09 17:56:12 UTC
I am getting the occasional bug where only 3 blocks drop instead of the 4. It seems totally random. I sent a bug report. Maybe CCP will get to it soon. Once in a while I don't really care, but over time, it adds up. I am probably out 100 blocks since I noticed this bug.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#10 - 2012-04-10 00:13:27 UTC
I received feed back from CCP on my bug report...they couldn't duplicate it...and are asking for more information... sheesh.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#11 - 2012-04-25 07:12:37 UTC
Figured it out. It has to do with the Mack bonus of doubling your ore that your mining. Mining ice with a hulk does not run into this problem. And, it has a helluva lot me ehp.
Daedalus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-25 08:02:35 UTC
I had a similar bug once while mining normal ore with a hulk.

I was happily mining away when i noticed that I didn't get as much ore as I expected each cycle. So I thought maybe one of the miners was mining an empty roid and stopped them all. That immediately filled up my entire cargo hold (it was empty), so in some strange way one of the miners had "cached up" a whole lot of mining that got delivered to the cargo hold all at once when I turned it off.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#13 - 2012-04-25 21:43:04 UTC
Daedalus II wrote:
I had a similar bug once while mining normal ore with a hulk.

I was happily mining away when i noticed that I didn't get as much ore as I expected each cycle. So I thought maybe one of the miners was mining an empty roid and stopped them all. That immediately filled up my entire cargo hold (it was empty), so in some strange way one of the miners had "cached up" a whole lot of mining that got delivered to the cargo hold all at once when I turned it off.



That is similar...but, not quite what happens. Because when you turn the laser off. It just turns off. You don't get any ice or anything depending upon where you are at in the cycle of course.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#14 - 2012-06-08 22:07:31 UTC
I know I started this thread a helluva long time ago and refreshing it just seems wrong - but...

I'm currently ice mining in hulks (Got them tanked to the max for hulkageddon) so there are mlu's on them. We are getting max orca boosts and my miners are currently studying exhumers level 5. I keep having issues where sometimes I will get 2 ice instead of the 3 or, hell, I've even gotten 4 ice from a single rotation.

Could someone please tell me what is so damn hard about 1 rotation of a laser = 1 piece of ice???? And, if this is happening to the ice harvesters, what is happening when I mine asteroids???? Are we getting screwed there too???

HELLO!!!!! CCP!!!! PLEASE,...PLEASE, TAKE A LOOK INTO THIS.

Thanks.
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#15 - 2012-06-10 05:47:48 UTC
*** BUMP ***
Ohajus Vartedneetstiincs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-10 10:08:46 UTC
Been getting this for a long time.

As soon as you see there is less blocks than there should be on a cycle stop your ice harvesters and the lost blocks should appear in the cargohold (if there's room)

Oh
Byrrssa Crendraven
Anti - Social
#17 - 2012-07-02 02:25:56 UTC
Ohajus Vartedneetstiincs wrote:
Been getting this for a long time.

As soon as you see there is less blocks than there should be on a cycle stop your ice harvesters and the lost blocks should appear in the cargohold (if there's room)

Oh



Not always. :( It's definitely broke.
BPC Retailer
GAKEP Logistical Service
Gatekeepers Universe
#18 - 2012-07-03 06:57:35 UTC
confirming a regular issue.
ice mining for 5 years.
Its always happened since macks were introduced but also happened with mining barges (the not showing up part at least)

The first cycles after the boosts are turned on are when it seems to "not drop" for me.
If i stop the lasers, the first cycle will then show up.

The issue with the 3 blocks instead of 4,
Ive never found a way to sort it.
Sometimes stopping the laser will give you the 4th block back
sometimes it just stops with 3 and you start again.
Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#19 - 2012-07-03 09:10:19 UTC
you don't even need to restart the lasers, this happens occassionally, I have filed bug report before but came back as "unable to reproduce issue" from the bug hunting team.

out of many cycles, suddenly you get a random cycle on one of the laser to not have bonus applied or some sort and instead of 4units per cycle, you get 3. That has nothing to do with cargo space since I have checked plenty of times when this happens, I have enough cargo space for a full cycle's yield.

I suspect though that it has something to do with how server syncs and compute all these formulas and bonuses with high latency connection. It's easy for anyone to neglect the connection quality factors in any in-house testing along with many other things.
nardaq
Orion Expeditions
#20 - 2012-07-03 14:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: nardaq
Byrrssa Crendraven wrote:
I received feed back from CCP on my bug report...they couldn't duplicate it...and are asking for more information... sheesh.

stop trying wasting your time people.
This bug is as old the way to Rome. I reported this 1.5 year ago already. with the same answer they can't duplicate.

CCP don't get its its a 1 in 100 when its happening and when they try to find it they are the 99 of 100.

and yes i still have this meself


/me out
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