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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1521 - 2012-03-27 10:49:11 UTC
Khorian wrote:
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

PS: Grow a spine


Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

snizzype

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1522 - 2012-03-27 10:49:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Khorian wrote:
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

PS: Grow a spine


Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

snizzype


Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Roll

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1523 - 2012-03-27 10:52:42 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Roll


Aren't you the one that has been posting about how you're contacting literally every gaming blog in existence about this thing? You're definitely not one to talk.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1524 - 2012-03-27 10:53:04 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Andski wrote:
Khorian wrote:
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

PS: Grow a spine


Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

snizzype


Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Roll


Your stupid posting is still endangering my life, please stop. You might find adverse things happening to your real life because of my endangered life with your stupid posting.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#1525 - 2012-03-27 10:53:19 UTC
~serious business~
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1526 - 2012-03-27 10:54:16 UTC
quote=The Mittani]
Ban Bindy wrote:
See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.

See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.

If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.

I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.

Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.

You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.

These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.


deal with it~[/quote]

Was that apology really sincere?
Bucky O'Hair
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1527 - 2012-03-27 10:54:19 UTC
+1 Mr. Mittani

To the torch and pitchfork crowd, get a life.

Seriously, the man apologized, he deeply regrets what he said. If you have never said or done something stupid or that your ashamed of, it is only because you have never been drunk.

There is one more thing to add to the list of "Life's Certainties"
  • Death
  • Taxes
  • You will say/do something stupid when your drunk


    • Move on, nothing to see here.....




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    We are coming for our people.[/b]
    Tallian Saotome
    Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
    #1528 - 2012-03-27 10:54:51 UTC
    Prince Kobol wrote:
    Elena Melkan wrote:
    Mecinia Lua wrote:
    Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible.

    What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend.

    The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that if he could make many other things better for a big bunch of people.


    Whilst all very true, the problem is that his comments were made out of game at a official CCP Event.

    An Official Event being transmitted live to thousands of people with CCP employees present,

    I'm no expert but something tells those people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP would not appreciate the amount of negativity publicity currently on the internet, neither would CCP partners such as Sony and Nvidia, especially considering the topic in question is so prevalent in today's media and with the growing band wagon of people who are trying to blame computer games for kids running riot.

    Why do you think CCP has a rule that you can not post kill mails, eve mails and chat logs for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?

    CCP know there is a line that can not be crossed, unfortunately for Alex he did cross this line.

    I do have a lot of sympathy for Alex, He does not deserves the amount of real life vilification he has received. It was a dumb misguided action made worse due to him being drunk.

    I have no sympathy for CCP as I can not believe that somebody didn't think of just giving the presentation slides a quick once over just to make sure they were no crossing any lines, considering the reputation that some of the alliance members leaders have and also that they were stinking drunk as well.

    The slides from GSF were clean of names.

    The specifics have been over and over, but him giving out the name was NOT part of the presentation, and was an off the cuff thing he did as a drunken response to someone asking him if he wanted to know where the guys was.

    Basically, it was a tasteless way of saying 'we already know where he is, you don't need to tell us'.

    And I imagine that they double checked every one of those quotes to see where the person being quoted currently is in the game, if only to be prepared to engage in some serious trolling.

    The 'drive him to kill himself' comment was stupid drunken shenanigans of the sort everyone who has had alcoholic fun has done in a moment of excess, only for him it was televised.

    Still better than the drunken stuff I did as a kid, convincing people it would be a good idea to jump off cliffs or light cars on fire.

    Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
    Elena Melkan
    Magellanic Itg
    Goonswarm Federation
    #1529 - 2012-03-27 10:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Melkan
    Frying Doom wrote:
    Elena Melkan wrote:
    Mecinia Lua wrote:
    Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible.

    What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend.

    The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that. Especially if he can make many other things better for a big bunch of people.

    Sorry I'm getting lost. What does how many votes he gets in an election for a game have to do with him trying to get people to harass a player into killing himself in real life?

    There is (or well, at least on that moment when the mockery happened) not a single solid proof that the player mentioned was even depressed. This is internet. You can lie, you can cheat as much as you want and never be held responsible for what you have done. To me it seemed more like attention seeking, or even a threat, so he could get away from the situation and stop losing his precious internet spaceships. Certainly it seemed like that to the people who mocked him - they didn't take him seriously, because, you know, there is always a chance that he can cheat.

    I don't know of course, there is possibility that this guy really is depressed. People have killed themselves over internet stuff before. It just seems strange, that as a depressed and especially a suicidal person you go and tell about your depression to someone you don't know. Knowing some that are suffering from that illness, they usually tend to hide it from strangers because they are ashamed of themselves. Heck, telling it to your best friends or the people you trust the most can be very difficult sometimes. Of course the cases can vary, but many of the suicide threats are part of angst and attention seeking - they are not really going to do it.

    The important thing is that The Mittani apologized. He made a mistake. In my eyes, the mistake he made wasn't so severe that he should be ultimately punished for that.
    Yumi Sagara
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #1530 - 2012-03-27 10:58:01 UTC
    Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.

    Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :)
    Professor Alphane
    Les Corsaires Diable
    #1531 - 2012-03-27 10:58:37 UTC
    Andski wrote:
    Professor Alphane wrote:
    Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Roll


    Aren't you the one that has been posting about how you're contacting literally every gaming blog in existence about this thing?


    No what makes you think that

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    Dovinian
    Dreddit
    Test Alliance Please Ignore
    #1532 - 2012-03-27 10:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dovinian
    Andski wrote:
    Khorian wrote:
    He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

    So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

    What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

    I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

    PS: Grow a spine


    Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

    You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

    snizzype

    Andski, I love you.
    Hinkledolph
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #1533 - 2012-03-27 10:59:15 UTC
    It's a shame i couldn't go to the fest. Would have gotten drunk, bitchslapped the CCP employee and pissed on his head while he was down. Next day all would have been well because I WOULD HAVE APOLOGIZED and send him my isk too!!!
    Professor Alphane
    Les Corsaires Diable
    #1534 - 2012-03-27 11:00:08 UTC
    Fenris Deka wrote:
    Professor Alphane wrote:
    Andski wrote:
    Khorian wrote:
    He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

    So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

    What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

    I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

    PS: Grow a spine


    Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

    You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

    snizzype


    Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Roll


    Your stupid posting is still endangering my life, please stop. You might find adverse things happening to your real life because of my endangered life with your stupid posting.



    Would you like to know who I am and where I can be found?

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    Fenris Deka
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #1535 - 2012-03-27 11:01:07 UTC
    Yumi Sagara wrote:
    Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.

    Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :)


    So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want.

    Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice.

    Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees."
    Mara Rinn
    Cosmic Goo Convertor
    #1536 - 2012-03-27 11:03:03 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?

    I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?


    He made a bad joke that was wildly inappropriate.

    See what I did there?

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    Kblackjack54
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #1537 - 2012-03-27 11:03:43 UTC
    Sorry but 80+ pages of vitriolic garbage on this topic seems to me to be a little excessive, yes the man behaved like an Ass, smashed off his face he managed to do what so many of us have done before at sometime and say something that later came back to haunt us.

    But let us look at the simple facts here, in spite of his taunting regarding the loss of a few pixels it seems the victim, if there ever really was one is fine and well and continues to play EVE as he once did, mining away at ice which according to some is the lowest profession in EVE that can be found.

    Hints that the man’s life was a wreck due to these drunken comments have proven unfounded, hypothetically if his wife had left him or his children really did not want to know him is this anything to do with EVE, only in as much as maybe he should have concentrated on his marriage rather than playing internet spaceships for hours we will and IMO should never know.

    The one thing that strikes me glaringly is the fact that this thing has been blown out of all proportion, and no one here is asking why right now anyone should do this, he did indeed crack a bad joke and in return feels humbled by allowing himself to get so '**** Faced' as to have engaged his mouth before his brain had studied the multitude of political capital that some would make from this comment, Sound familiar to anyone.

    Wonder how many times we have all felt like walking round and punching some prick in the face for some comment or deed in EVE only prevented by the distance that EVE presents us all with, but in this case no distance was provided, he said what he did and has made an apology publicly for it so come on people.

    Leave it alone and get on with the game,
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #1538 - 2012-03-27 11:03:56 UTC
    Mara Rinn wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?

    I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?


    He made a bad joke that was wildly inappropriate.

    See what I did there?


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    Memrox
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #1539 - 2012-03-27 11:04:22 UTC
    Apology for nothing, lame Mittens.
    Macharion Thelgamor
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #1540 - 2012-03-27 11:05:40 UTC
    Respect for the apology, it appeared genuine and timely which is a good first step. If it is backed up by such an action as Goons perma-blueing the guy in question's corp the do it, it is the kind of gesture that shows you mean it, helps the guy out through what will now be an unwanted and crazy high profile time for him.

    Unfortunately perception is all in these modern times and the unwanted publicity from places like massively and gamebreaker will hurt CCP after what was a very positive and enjoyable fanfest that promised much to look forward to in the coming year. They have put a lot of effort into turning things round, pulled out all the stops and put on a great show this year. It is the sad nature of controversy that none of that will be remembered by the wider MMO and gaming community, it will instead be these comments which is a real shame as in the past year you have done great work in helping both EVE online return to the roots that made it great and bringing the game positively to notice by the wider gaming community.

    If you have indeed offered your resignation CCP may have no choice but to be seen to take it this year. However, in a years time when the CSM elections come around you will have done your time and by then, as is quite likely, the CSM will have lost some of the momentum gained under your chairmanship. At that point, if you are willing to stand once again, not only is there a great chance you will you get voted back in, you could equally get voted back in as chairman with a rare chance for redemption. You will be judged at that point but time is a great healer, and at the very least people will have had a year to realise what the game's been missing.

    This game is all about second chances, in game we are after all immortals who can bounce back from any setback and strap ourselves right back in for more. In this case life can imitate art. It has happened many times in history, it can happen here too.