These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Fanfest Charity Dinner 2013
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-27 09:26:57 UTC
I have a suggestion, to help dismiss any innapropriate views about the sensible members of the EvE Community and to help dismiss any innacurate views that the world may percive about us as a result of unfortunate recent events.

My view is that the Charity Dinner for a Decade of EvE Fanfest in 2013 could be to some extent in support of Mental Health Charities.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-27 09:30:31 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
I have a suggestion, to help dismiss any innapropriate views about the sensible members of the EvE Community and to help dismiss any innacurate views that the world may percive about us as a result of unfortunate recent events.

My view is that the Charity Dinner for a Decade of EvE Fanfest in 2013 could be to some extent in support of Mental Health Charities.




No thats not there place.


Just have it that if anyone wants to give a presentation they are Sober and that should stop half the stupidlty that we saw at the last Fanfest

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-27 09:31:21 UTC
Interesting, I am all for charities, though in the case of this it would probably do more publicity harm than good. From a publicity standpoint that is. Though still would be cool to have an extra sort of fancy dinner peeps could pay for. I would bring my dress clothes for that.

In terms of showing CCP's handling and damage control. An unbiased general punishment and the public appology combined with a statement for future preventative measures (just review powerpoint beforehand?) would be the best course of action. After all, it wasn't CCP but the actions of a player. The showing should be how they react and deal with player issues.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-03-27 09:32:21 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
I have a suggestion, to help dismiss any innapropriate views about the sensible members of the EvE Community and to help dismiss any innacurate views that the world may percive about us as a result of unfortunate recent events.

My view is that the Charity Dinner for a Decade of EvE Fanfest in 2013 could be to some extent in support of Mental Health Charities.


I approve of this. Lets continue dragging The Wis through the hoops for at least a year into the future.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-03-27 09:35:06 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
No thats not there place...

Why not?

This years proceeds went towards getting kids in hospitals addicted to gaming (screw the PR, I KNOW whats what!!!111) .. charities come in all shapes just in case you were wondering Smile
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-27 09:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
I think this extends beyond just a damage limitation PR exercise.

It demonstrates that CCP and the EvE community can see issues beyond just the Virtual existance.

I like having the opportunity to help others less fortunate in this way. The cynical idea that CCP currently use charitable donations purely as a promotion exercise to indoctrinate young children into gaming is a bit offensive also. It also suggests a view that games and play has no real place in society or education.

Considering its an optional process that people can choose to endorse I hardly see it as imposing on players either or the idea that it cannot provide a greater benefit to others as a result.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-27 10:00:51 UTC
I'd settle for The Mittani and CCP waking up and becoming more responsible.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-03-27 10:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
While we all fall on hard times and get depressed occasionally, its hardly a mental disorder. Being depressed is a natural human state. You'd be lying if you claim you've never been depressed before.

The idea of supporting a 'mental health' charity as a remedy to someone's depression is quite frankly insulting. What the guy needs is to have all these online people leave him alone. If he has real depression, the only thing he needs is his IRL friends and family. Not a bunch of internet spaceship pilots arguing on his behalf.

If people cared about the guy, they'd have filed private petitions and emails with CCP and/or The Wis directly. Making a public spectacle of this only shows your true selfish intentions.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-03-27 10:13:12 UTC
Actually 1 in 4 people suffer from some form of depression at some point in their lifetime. It is more apparent than you think, chances are you will know or have known someone who has suffered or is suffering from it.

Reducing issues to aspects of clinical depression or more severe mental health disorders neglets the impact it can have for people who struggle with it and try to manage in their lives in what could be seen for all intents and purposes as "normal" behaviour.

As such Mental Health charities extend their work and support beyond just those recognised as needing more dedicated medical support. This shouldn't however be missinterpreted that any illness doesn't need appropriate medical support as applicable.

Why can't EvE players be seen to be helping in this work as a result? Not trying to dramatise it, just that as its topical it would be a noteable and welcome gesture. My concerns about some of the statements regarding this is some appear to simply want to reduce the relevance of this down to just IG politics.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-27 10:14:06 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
While we all fall on hard times and get depressed occasionally, its hardly a mental disorder. Being depressed is a natural human state. You'd be lying if you claim you've never been depressed before.




Being mildly depressed is a very common occurance, being severely depressed is not.

People that are mildly depressed do not contemplate suicide.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-03-27 10:18:43 UTC
And what university degree do we all hold that allows us to judge an online strangers state of mental health so accurately with a single evemail?

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-27 10:22:16 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
And what university degree do we all hold that allows us to judge an online strangers state of mental health so accurately with a single evemail?


I'm not judging anyone specifically, it's you who is making it a personal matter.

My points are generalised in support of helping mental health charities.

If you want to make it specifically relevant it might help with CCP employees returning to work after pregnancy as support involved here may specifically help with post natal depression.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-27 10:36:03 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:

My points are generalised in support of helping mental health charities.




Kind of like what biker groups do for kids charities.

It's a nice idea, but it won't help as the damage is already done and that damage is likely to get worse by 2013. Plus people will not see it as being sincere at this stage.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-28 23:37:57 UTC
An alternative suggestion to consider could be perhaps offer a specific plex donation towards the cause.

For some reason I feel people may want to buy more PLEX on the issue. I know I would donate 1.

Maybe also encourage a discount sale at the same time?

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling