Ships & Modules

There is no source cause there is no nerf. What there IS, is a discussion of ship balance from fanfest, where they state that t3 is ideally more versatile but roughly equal in power to navy faction ships, and t2 ships are more powerful at any given task but specialized. It's a discussion, that's all. Look up the fanfest feeds.

Really? -Because you can make a hell of a 250's good Proteus fit?
Do something else than heavy tackle with a stupid amount of EHP or a stupid amount of dps but never a bit of eatch?
Or is the uber drone sub that makes you think that?

No, No don't answer please I already know the answer, you don't need speed/agility and shoot over 60km with a Proteus at gates and undocks, yes I know that.

Say waaaa?

Who when what where how?

Save the tengu, loki, and proteus!

Buff the legion!

God this character is ugly!

If the Tengu gets nerfed, CCP will handle it the way they handle most nerfs.

The Tengu will be nearly unusable and everyone will start flying Lokis.

Then the Loki's will be nerfed and everyone will start flying Proteuses

Yes, because we need caldari ships that are worse than the eagle and cerberus.

They will never nerf Loki, it's brown afterall.

It doesn't really make sense for them to want T3's to be in between navy cruisers and T2 in terms of ability. A number of T2 cruisers are nigh completely useless, (see Cerberus/Eagle) and others cost ineffective because a battlecruiser can do their job better (Sacrilege). They just aren't used at all really

Unless they want to make T3's a useless ship class, they need to look into rebalancing T2 ships first. And then, even after that, if they want to make T3's less powerful than T2 ships, they need to reduce the price (nobody is going to fly a 500mil ship that is worse than a 150mil ship, and fills the same role), make the flexibility of T3's readily apparent, (like allowing for subsystem swaps on the fly), and remove the skill point loss

I seriously hope they don't nerf T3's, because in my opinion the way they are right now is perfectly fine, with the exception of the legion who desperately needs a buff to it's laser subsystem in terms of dps

As far as reasons for nerfing T3's go, which seem to be either that 100mn AB fits are too strong, or that T3's are too good at missioning (I guess this is really the tengu only), I think that both complaints arise not from the T3 ship class itself but from a side mechanic

In the case of 100mn AB ships, the issue isn't the T3's, it's the gang boosters. If you take any ship, give it loki and tengu(or legion) bonuses, it will seem OP, without exception. I mean, you can make a dual rep thorax that costs 20mil, does ~500dps, tanks around ~600 (or more overloaded I think), and goes 1800m/s non overloaded. Should we nerf thoraxes? No. And if you take the same 100mn AB ship and take away it's gang boosters, suddenly it's not very good. It's still decent because it's fit with faction mods and the like, but it's mobility is greatly compromised

Also, I don't think gang boosters should be nerfed either, but that is a separate issue

In the case of tengu's being pretty much the goto ship for mission runners nowadays, I blame this on the fact that the battleship sized weapon systems for caldari suck. Torps have terrible range and literally cannot hit anything (I mean, seriously, there are 5 target painter golem fits out there CCP, probably should look at making torps actually useful), and cruise missiles are useless compared to heavy missiles because their extra range (outside of 100km) is useless in pretty much all scenarios, and the marginal extra dps you get is mitigated by the fact that the missiles do less damage to the same size target

So yea. Please don't make my tengu(s) as useful as a navy eagle (or navy cerb).

Edit: More or less the thorax fit I was talking about. And this doesn't even include pirate implants/faction mods, as you would see on any self-respecting 100mn AB tengu.

http://i.imgur.com/Ndotd.jpg

Man, the Cerb isn't that bad. Why does everyone keep saying it is?