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Endeavour Starfleet
#1 - 2012-03-27 03:14:15 UTC
You know it is one thing when I debate with people who obviously hate incursions and will spew lie after lie about them in an attempt to harm hisec. It is QUITE another when I have to debate with incursion runners who feel that CCP will never nerf incursions for whatever reason they think they are special for.

The worst is "some" of the Incursion leaders who want to be "Incursion Bob" muting people who call for members to defend incursions against the lies and the extremely harmful "suggestions" Then go on to claim that Incursions will never be nerfed.

Nothing in this game is "sacred" many of the fixes we now see were after huge debates erupting left and right on how said changes would affect the game and it's future. That is how it is supposed to be so that CCP can get as much info and views as they can.

Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.

Being an "Incursion Bob" wont save incursions from nerfs.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-27 03:58:47 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.


I trust you are aware that most of the elite vanguard fleets are populated by folks who would rather be in nullsec, where their mains live.

Many of them actually do want (highsec) incursions nerfed.
Endeavour Starfleet
#3 - 2012-03-27 06:05:18 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.


I trust you are aware that most of the elite vanguard fleets are populated by folks who would rather be in nullsec, where their mains live.

Many of them actually do want (highsec) incursions nerfed.


Not the ones I am talking to.

BTW topic got buried in 8 tons of bs about the controversy. Can we get back to the issues here folks?
Molly Modee
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-27 06:07:40 UTC
Your Greed is Not Good Endeavour Starfleet.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-27 06:09:09 UTC
oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#6 - 2012-03-27 06:22:55 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Nothing in this game is "sacred"[...].


Evidenced by the fact Incursions was added in the first place.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#7 - 2012-03-27 06:32:14 UTC
Dude, I love to make isk as much as the next guy, but this incursion things are way way ridiculous.

They should either 1) be nerfed or 2) be made harder - harder is fine too.

To the point where I can't do logistics in my sleep as is currently the case. Lol

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#8 - 2012-03-27 07:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game


Only thing I've seen mittens say about incursions is that he likes them becuase they can't be botted. That said I'm sure pretty sure CCPSoundwave is planning on an Incursion nerf because he said he's starting with Incursions before bounties nerf in a recent interview after Fanfest. To be honest instead of the 10% nerf on bounties I'd like to see sleeper/Incursion AI's appearing in all L3+ missions to make them tougher to bot but I guess that is too much of a developing nightmare?


EDIT: Oh & concerning Amzi I had rather disliked him before the farming started (before Incarna) and had been rather irate about his being a **** when his Krissada alt BS was giving him the stroking he enjoys as an attention whour. Believe me for quite a time he's been disliked in a good portion of the incursion communties.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Endeavour Starfleet
#9 - 2012-03-27 08:31:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game


Ammzi is not Incursion Bob. BTw you do know I am saying Incursion Bob is similar to Baghdad Bob right?
Endeavour Starfleet
#10 - 2012-03-27 08:58:37 UTC
Still holding onto that "Floods economy with isk" BS eh?

U mad?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-27 09:12:57 UTC
I fought the live events before incursions came out, I fought in the incursions when they started. Being party to the first momship kill. We fought with T1 ships, no shinies cause of the risk.

Incursions are lame and scripted isk printers now, many of the members act elitist only allowing billion isk fittings in. Personally, as systems get control, the spawn rate needs to slow down. Get people out of vanguards and into the assault/hq sites. Randomize spawns and triggers, then incursions are fixed.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Endeavour Starfleet
#12 - 2012-04-05 01:46:35 UTC
Quote:
The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk.


http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-05 01:55:38 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Quote:
The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk.


http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time.

After incursions are nerfed, they will then go after wh's, then level 4's (againandagainandagain...).

Because "you're not playing their way".

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-04-05 02:05:14 UTC
I'm curious about where does this "Incursion Bob" name comes from.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-05 02:07:00 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
I'm curious about where does this "Incursion Bob" name comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

Otherwise known as "Baghdad Bob".

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Endeavour Starfleet
#16 - 2012-04-05 02:33:35 UTC
Yep Baghdad Bob. The guy who said with a straight face that Iraq could keep the collation forces out of the major cities. Of course that is real life PR and politics but I think the way that people say that "Incursion Nerfs will not happen" In their channels is much the same way. You have more than enough in front of you saying that bad changes are coming but you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend things will be lovely and that your channel base wont desert you afterwards.

Don't get me wrong many members who assumed everything was ok or "Not mah job to tell CCP this is wrong" And just dragged their fit lines over will be the also just as deserving of the nerfs. And I will indeed enjoy watching their in game tears in the channel when the OPs there try to explain away the recently implemented nerfs.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#17 - 2012-04-05 04:17:09 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
5 min VGs

Well there's your problem, right there. You guys figured out a way to blitz sites in <5 minutes with minimal risk, now its being fixed. Deal with it, and if you want to make insane amounts of ISK in the future I suggest you try wormholes, low sec or null sec.

You know, places that were intended to be high-profit.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#18 - 2012-04-05 04:34:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game


Yeah dont worry, Incursion Goonfleet will take care of Incursion BoD er Bob

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#19 - 2012-04-05 04:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Markus Reese wrote:


Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time.

After incursions are nerfed, they will then go after wh's, then level 4's (againandagainandagain...).

Because "you're not playing their way".[/quote]

yes its only THEIR sandbox
not YOUR sandbox

Simi Kusoni wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
5 min VGs

Well there's your problem, right there. You guys figured out a way to blitz sites in <5 minutes with minimal risk, now its being fixed. Deal with it, and if you want to make insane amounts of ISK in the future I suggest you try wormholes, low sec or null sec.

You know, places that were intended to be high-profit.


Simi Kusoni wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
5 min VGs

Well there's your problem, right there. You guys figured out a way to blitz sites in <5 minutes with minimal risk, now its being fixed. Deal with it, and if you want to make insane amounts of ISK in the future I suggest you try wormholes, low sec or null sec.

You know, places that were intended to be high-profit.


Ah the places theyll nerf next.

what you expected them to buff null and low?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#20 - 2012-04-05 13:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Richard Aiel wrote:
Ah the places theyll nerf next.

what you expected them to buff null and low?

I don't really care if they buff it or not to be honest, it's not like I do any PvE any more anyway.

As long as profit goes "high > low > null > whs" I'm happy.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
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