EVE General Discussion

I think we need a subcap that can effectively apply the hurt to capital ships, to further scare the darn things away from trying to shoot at subcap fleets. But I don't buy in to any 'little frigate capital-bomber' ideas. If you want the huge hurt, you gotta pay the huge cost.

I'm thinking a tech 2 version of the tier 3 battleships--this baby will cost more than a marauder, it'll probably cost somewhere in between a carrier and a dreadnought.

I'm thinking they should have 3 high slots, 2 turret hardpoints, and bonuses that allow them to fit capital turrets and siege modules. They would have a fuel bay for siege fuel, but no jump drive (their advantage is having subcap mobility!) They would have both skill bonuses toward the turrets and toward defense. They would not be glass cannons, but rather their lack of high slots means they're only powerful when using capital turrets, so the lack of tracking already makes up for that. Finally, they would have a decent-sized drone bay for protection, but not so large as to be used offensively against small targets.

Here's an example:
Apollyon
Hull: Abaddon

3 high power slots, 2 turret hardpoints

7 medium power slots, 4 low power slots

17000 MW powergrid, 380 tf CPU

125m3 drone bay, 75mbps drone bandwidth

1250m3 liquid ozone bay

Siege Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% bonus to Capital Energy Turret rate of fire per level.
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Capital Energy Turret optimal range and 5% armor resistance per level.
Role bonus:
-95% reduction in Capital Turret and Siege Module powergrid needs.
-75% reduction in Capital Turret capacitor cost.
-50% reduction liquid ozone consumption for Siege Module activation and -50% reduction in Siege Module duration.
Note: can fit capital turrets and siege modules.
1665.8 DPS output with max skills, beam lasers, multifrequency ammo, tech 1 siege module, and no bonuses from modules

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The capital turrets would not be allowed to fire in highsec and/or would be deactivated by CONCORD.

All battleships are already capable of applying the hurt to capital ships.

Fixed, though I don't see a problem with using them for ganks, considering the price. But CCP doesn't allow dreadnoughts to fire in highsec so these shouldn't either.

As neat as it sounds, it just sounds too unreasonable for a torpedo to specifically be weak to small weapons. Maybe, though, a stealth bomber's bomb launcher could be fit with a torpedo bomb that would fly F.O.F. to the nearest in-flight capital torpedo and pop it.

But the ships I'm proposing are already hit-and-run anyway. They have a huge reduction in the siege timer so they can cancel it quickly if they need to get out of there. And they don't take all that long to align. Also, they have less room for ammo and liquid ozone than a dreadnought so they can't siege for as long. So they're mostly burstfire ships.

2 minutes might seem like a long time, but in capital combat 2 minutes is within the blink of an eye.

nope

Agreeing with OP. all capital fights should be fought vs other capitals only, and as a deterrent, subcaps should be able to kill capitals with ease

Anyways, back to mining i go

I think the kickback (do you even call it that on ship mounted weapons) generated when firing these rather huge weapons, that are in some cases, half the size of a battleship would send any ship the size of a mere battleship spinning off into a nearby planet/startgate/station/ship/any other object.

I guess it could be fun to watch =D

My fitting window shows just a hair over 2k dps with my vindi fit :D

Also as it stands we need more reasons to field caps against subcaps, not the other way around.
SUPERcaps are OP in the current metagame, but there isn't really much reason to field normal capitals when they do poorly against subcaps, and supercaps eat them.

They could be recoilless design. Of course, that would make them look different. They'd also do less damage, so you'd need to have more of them. And then the art department can have a fun time with that.
Or we can just accept that it's doable and not overthink the mechanics.


Aestivalis Saidrian and Cambarus, you both fail at reading. Go find your mistake before I have to point it out to you and make you look like idiots.

I don't think it would be effective. There are really 2 types of Caps: Carriers and dreads (titans are under the dreads category. Just go with it for the sake of the example).

Carriers
Good: Logistics, movement.
Bad: only about 1000 DPS. (BS can easily go voer 1k DPS)

Supercarriers:
Good: 10,000 DPS, movement
Bad: No Logi bonus

Dreadnaughts:
Good: Lots of DPS (upwards of 10,000+ depending on ship and fit)
Bad: No mobility (can't perfectly track with MWDing supers), can't recieve reps in siege

Titans:
Good: Lot's of anti-cap DPS
Bad: No support = dead titan

Now the issue is dreads are great at killing caps, but a MWDing super can speed-tank most of the DPS. (Try it out. It's annoying for dread pilots) And dreads can't be repped. So once they siege they are on their own for 5 minutes.

What we really need is a ship that can move, receive reps, and apply a considerable amount of DPS. (3000-3500 would be good)
?Ship name?
Good: Movement, can be repped, no siege module
Bad: not as much DPS as a dread. (1/3 as much DPS. Win in large numbers)

So you can drop a bunch of these, have them apply DPS, and have carriers to rep them. But you will need far more of them compared to straight up dreads. Make that and I have a feeling it would work. Good luck. And post in the right forum section.