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If you play a high sec game, be afraid, be very afraid

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Vince Snetterton
#1 - 2012-03-26 06:19:55 UTC
If you play a high sec game and have not seen this interview, watch it, and then make plans of moving out of high sec, or quitting the game.

Instead of adapt or die, I will be considering adapt or quit

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one

What Soundwave is saying is pretty much further expounding on everything that came out of Fanfest

Highlights of what he says in the interview

Datacores: If you are smart, you will cash out before Inferno. Soundwave says those words between 8:30 of the interview. He believes the datacore system is "terribly abused". Those are his words. BTW, there will be an ISK charge to get your datacores from an agent

High sec Incursions: Some kind of nerf. This has been done to death in a ton of threads, no need for comments

ALL NPC bounties: At 13:45 to 15:00, a nerf of a suggested 10% across the board, all regions. Soundwave called this the "emergency button" button. Of course, at 12:50 of the interview that 10-15% of all NPC kills came out of Drone Regions. I doubt it will be a one to one ratio, but if they nerf all NPC income by 10%, yet Drones start having bounties, will not that be a wash for null sec income, but a high sec income nerf

Mining: No direct comment on high sec mining, but it will be better as low end mins prices rise, assuming null sec mining does not crank up. Soundwave at 11:35 says 40% of the high end minerals come from the null regions. That means nothing to high sec miners, but will kill high sec industrialists who rely on their high end mins from null sec being sold in high sec

High sec transaction taxes: At 13:28, he says empitransaction cost going up, because they want to reign in the economy. This has the biggest impact of course on the high sec players

Soundwave thinks that the economy is approaching a place that is "not healthy". He has started playing Ultima Online again and he does not want the Eve economy to reach the point that Ultima's is in

Soundwave makes it clear that he wants to shake Eve to its foundations. He says, and once again a quote " I kind of hope things go terribly wrong" at 8:02 of interview. I understand he does not want to design a game for specific results (his words), but many of the changes are going to trash high sec industrial chars specifically

Guess the null sec power blocs are getting want they want
Even though the power blocs are losing direct control of moon goo, the wealth of that moon goo is staying in null sec
The high sec players are getting shafted as the overall potential wealth generation in high sec is lowered

This is of course what many of the null sec zealots have wanted for quite some time

I have done my time in null sec and wh's. I will not be choosing that option of joining a low sec/ null sec/ wh corp if my income gets squeezed as badly as I forsee. I will be choosing the remaining option of quitting

Zircon Dasher
#2 - 2012-03-26 06:25:41 UTC
TEH END IZ NYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#3 - 2012-03-26 06:27:57 UTC
Hi, didn't read all of what you said... but here is the thing

High sec is not suppose to be where you can earn the most isk without much risk (besides suicide ganks)
anywhere els you have to be aware of who is in local either by scanning constantly for probes on scan (in wormholes)
constantly checking local in 0.0... (trying to rat in systems often camped by people with covert cynos ready to hotdrop 30 bombers on your income ships)

Risky space is suppose to be worth more than high sec, regardess of who holds it (just because it's a big alliance and coalition holding a large region or ten... doesn't make it 100% safe like high sec...

So -10% income on rats in high sec is fine. it's either that or buff it everywhere els.

Incursions too... shouldn't pay much more than a lvl 4 missions in high sec... but in low sec the payout is fine as is.

Supercap nerf - change ewar immunity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-26 06:30:17 UTC
**** highsec industry tbh
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#5 - 2012-03-26 06:31:46 UTC
Meh, I already have plans to dive into a WH.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-26 06:33:32 UTC
Once we make it impossible to place a POS in highsec this game will get interesting again.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2012-03-26 06:37:39 UTC
You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.

High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.

Who should be afraid here?
Vince Snetterton
#8 - 2012-03-26 06:39:47 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Hi, didn't read all of what you said... but here is the thing

High sec is not suppose to be where you can earn the most isk without much risk (besides suicide ganks)
anywhere els you have to be aware of who is in local either by scanning constantly for probes on scan (in wormholes)
constantly checking local in 0.0... (trying to rat in systems often camped by people with covert cynos ready to hotdrop 30 bombers on your income ships)

Risky space is suppose to be worth more than high sec, regardess of who holds it (just because it's a big alliance and coalition holding a large region or ten... doesn't make it 100% safe like high sec...

So -10% income on rats in high sec is fine. it's either that or buff it everywhere els.

Incursions too... shouldn't pay much more than a lvl 4 missions in high sec... but in low sec the payout is fine as is.


Who said anything about making as much as in null sec. I agree that risk should be balanced with return.
But I have lived in wh space and null sec, and know how much I made there compared to how much I make in high sec.
I made oodles more in null, which I am fine with.

But I expect the ability to actually maintain a quiet lifestyle in high sec.
If these changes come down the pipe, high sec will be wiped out for me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-03-26 06:39:55 UTC
I have spent the last 6 months building a high sec indudstrial company. Nothing said so far will stop me and my empire from growing.
Xioden Acap
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-26 06:42:40 UTC
Prices will adjust and things will continue as usual. Not really much to see here.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-26 06:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Skydell wrote:
You said so yourself. Most will just quit.

lol everytime EVE has expanded warfare and pvp subs went up, when they put in expansions that introduced nothing but risk-free highsec carebear money machines like Incursion, Tyrannis and Incarna, CCP almost died.

CSM elections by the player base, CCP market research and even advertisements all agree on what type of content is drawing new players into EVE, and it isn't some sort of gay concord-protected decshielded station docking bullshit
Vince Snetterton
#12 - 2012-03-26 06:45:20 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Once we make it impossible to place a POS in highsec this game will get interesting again.


When you say "we", do you mean the CSM?
Interesting that a goon not on the CSM talks about having influence to move CCP in a direction.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-26 06:47:46 UTC
As a player for whom highsec is extremely relevant, I approve of pretty much all these changes.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#14 - 2012-03-26 06:48:26 UTC
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#15 - 2012-03-26 06:49:16 UTC
Xioden Acap wrote:
Prices will adjust and things will continue as usual. Not really much to see here.

Same thing happened with PI. Yeah, nothing to panic over.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#16 - 2012-03-26 06:50:34 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Skydell wrote:
You said so yourself. Most will just quit.

lol everytime EVE has expanded warfare and pvp subs went up, when they put in expansions that introduced nothing but risk-free highsec carebear money machines like Incursion, Tyrannis and Incarna, CCP almost died.

CSM elections by the player base, CCP market research and even advertisements all agree on what type of content is drawing new players into EVE, and it isn't some sort of gay concord-protected decshielded station docking bullshit


You have converted me, I'm a full supporter of carebearless EVE. Nuke High Sec. We need to bring in the new and improved PvP EVE.

Been saying that for years. Lets see it happen. Lets stop with all the smack talk CCP. You want HTFU EVE. Do it. Show some spine.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#17 - 2012-03-26 07:02:13 UTC
Skydell wrote:
You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.

High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.

Who should be afraid here?


Yes indeed, one CCP person making such statements as has been done has not considered the serious long term repurcussions.

Be Afraid ? I would say it's very much like commercial suicide on CCP's behalf.



baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-03-26 07:07:08 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
Skydell wrote:
You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.

High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.

Who should be afraid here?


Yes indeed, one CCP person making such statements as has been done has not considered the serious long term repurcussions.

Be Afraid ? I would say it's very much like commercial suicide on CCP's behalf.




BAAAWWW
Vince Snetterton
#19 - 2012-03-26 07:09:37 UTC
To all the null sec zealots, I am certain that all these changes provide you with immense glee.
But if you notice the title of the thread, it was not addressed to you.

You laugh now. You will continue to laugh as the high sec tears spread.
I imagine you will continue to laugh into the early / mid fall, until CCP announces there is a drop in subscriptions.

I am looking forward to how people that have a raft of subs with chars focused on datacore production will find a way to justify keeping their accounts open. Some fellow posted in the industry forum he has quite a few accounts designed primarily for datacore farming. How many accounts pray tell will he need / feasibly run in low sec FW to get those same datacores?

And when some high sec mission runner sees his income nerfed 10%, I am sure he will have no problem just playing 10% more to gain the same income.

And when some industrialist who hates null is getting murdered trying to compete with null sec industrialists, no problem there. I am sure he will have a complete change of heart and join goons.

Plus all those incursion runner who opened up new accounts because of the income that they got from Vanguards, I am certain they will keep those accounts open.

But hey, it's OK.
You zealots do your happy dance now.

It will be interesting to see if CCP is doing a happy dance as well say around October.
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-03-26 07:16:14 UTC
CCP balancing a broken game?!? This is an OUTRAGE!!
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